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1A.  Pete Rose
  1. General
  2. Awards
  3. Career Stats
  • Born: April 14, 1941 in Cincinnati, OH USA
  • Weight: 192 lbs.
  • Height: 5'11"
  • Bats: B
  • Throws: R
  • Debut: April 08, 1963
  • Final Game: August 17, 1986
  • Rookie of the Year - 1963
  • TSN All-Star - 1965
  • TSN All-Star - 1966
  • Hutch Award - 1968
  • TSN All-Star - 1968
  • TSN Player of the Year - 1968
  • Gold Glove - 1969
  • Lou Gehrig Memorial Award - 1969
  • Gold Glove - 1970
  • Most Valuable Player - 1973
  • TSN All-Star - 1973
  • World Series MVP - 1975
  • Roberto Clemente Award - 1976
  • TSN All-Star - 1978
  • Silver Slugger - 1981
  • TSN All-Star - 1981
 
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Statistically, there is no argument about the Hall of Fame qualifications of Pete Rose.  Even the most casual baseball fan is aware that “Charlie Hustle” is the all time hit king with 4,256 hits; a record that may never be broken.  Rose also was a seventeen time All Star, and proved to be a clutch performer as evidenced by his three World Series Rings; including a World Series MVP.  Sadly, as much as casual sports fans are aware of Rose’s on field accomplishments, many who have never turned their dial to ESPN knows his off field embarrassments.

As many are aware, Pete Rose was banned from baseball for betting on the sport.  This has always been considered a taboo in Major League Baseball as they have always prohibited their players from betting on the sport.  Rose was caught doing such and most specifically, regularly wagering on his own team.

Here is where it gets interesting for us at NIHOF.  We will flat out tell you that the five of us who comprise the NIHOF committee are borderline degenerate gamblers, so for us to come down on a kindred spirit seems so wrong to us.  With that said, there is nothing in our line of work that prevents us from placing a wager or two; there was for Pete Rose.

Where it got worse was that Rose denied the allegations for years.  How different would it have been had he owned up and admitted what he did?  When heroes fall (and sadly we are a society that wants to see it happen) the expectation is that they own up to their mistakes and they are forgiven.  One only has to look at the current situation with Andy Petite and Roger Clemens and see the reactions to these two pitchers.  Petite apologized, and when he pitches today, fans don’t think about his former PED use.  Clemens is on TV, and all we can think about are his hollow denials.

This isn’t to say that Pete Rose would have been reinstated had he admitted his guilt.  Baseball is an institution rooted so deeply in tradition that it often fails to move forward.  There is a very sizable chance that Rose would have remained ineligible had he admitted that wrongdoing twenty years ago.  What probably cemented his fate is that when he finally did admit gambling on Baseball it was in 2004 upon releasing a book.  The timing was awful as he did so two days after the Baseball Hall of Fame announced their 2004 inductees.  It reeked of selfishness, and the apology fell flat to many.

Regardless, we are hopeful that at some point in time, Pete Rose becomes inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.  There should be no doubt that his is the greatest omission of any Hall of Fame period.  There is no question about that.  Pete will however likely be our “1A” candidate for years to come.

Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?

Definitely put him in! - 78.9%
Maybe, but others deserve it first. - 1.9%
Probably not, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. - 3%
No opinion. - 0.5%
No way! - 15.7%

The Bullet Points

  • Country of Origin: Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A.
  • Eligible In: Wednesday, 01 January 1992
  • Position: First Base, Second Base, Third Base, Outfield
  • Played For: Philadelphia Phillies, Cincinnati Reds, Montreal Expos
  • Major Accolades and Awards: Rookie of the Year (NL) (1963)
    Most Valuable Player (NL) (1973)
    World Series Most Valuable Player (1975)
    17 Time All Star (1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982 & 1985)
    Gold Glove (2) (NL) (1969 & 1970)
    Silver Slugger (NL) (1981)
    Batting Titles (3) (NL) (1968, 1969, 1973)
    Highest On Base Percentage (2) (NL) (1968 & 1979)
    Most Runs Scored (4) (NL) (1969, 1974, 1975 & 1976)
    Most Hits (7) (NL) (1965, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1976 & 1981)
    Most Doubles (5) (NL) (1974, 1975, 1976, 1978 & 1980)
    Most Total Zone Runs (1) (NL) (1973)
    World Series Rings (3) (Cincinnati Reds, 1975 & 1976, Philadelphia Phillies, 1980)
    Named to the All Century Team (OF)
  • Other Points of Note: Other top ten MVP finishes: (Won the 1973 NL MVP)
    (NL: 1965, 5th), (NL: 1966, 10th), (NL: 1967, 10th), (NL: 1968, 2nd), (NL: 1969, 4th), (NL: 1970, 7th), (NL: 1975, 5th), (NL: 1976, 4th) & (NL: 1981, 10th)
    Hutch Award (1968)
    Lou Gehrig Memorial Award (1969)
    Roberto Clemente Award (1976)
    13 Top Ten Finishes (Batting Average)
    11 Top Ten Finishes (On Base Percentage)
    2 Top Ten Finishes (Slugging Percentage)
    3 Top Ten Finishes (OPS)
    3 Top Ten Finishes (OPS+)
    15 Top Ten Finishes (Runs Scored)
    17 Top Ten Finishes (Hits)
    11 Top Ten Finishes (Total Bases)
    15 Top Ten Finishes (Doubles)
    8 Top Ten Finishes (Triples)
    7 Top Ten Finishes (Walks)
    1 Top Ten Finish (Power-Speed#)
    5 Top Ten Finishes (Win Probability Added)
    3 Top Ten Finishes (Total Zone Runs)
    6 Top Ten Finishes (WAR for Position Players)
  • Notable All Time Rankings: 1.  Games Played: 3,562
    1.  At Bats: 14,053
    1.  Plate Appearances: 15,861
    1.  Hits: 4,256
    2.  Doubles: 746
    6.  Runs Scored: 2,165
    8.  Total Bases: 5,752
    14. Walks: 1,566
    30. Win Probability Added: 54.6
    35. Intentional Walks: 167
    40. WAR (Position Players): 79.1
    75. Triples: 135
  • Vote Percentage Received for the Hall of Fame: 1992:  9.5
    1993:  3.3
    1994:  4.2
  • Should be Inducted As A: Cincinnati Red

Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?

Definitely put him in! - 78.9%
Maybe, but others deserve it first. - 1.9%
Probably not, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. - 3%
No opinion. - 0.5%
No way! - 15.7%
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Comments   

0 #14 F. Healy 2018-08-18 23:11
Quoting donbanff:
pete said he didn't gamble; but of course he did. pete gambled on sports [ said he didn't ] pete gambled on baseball [said he didn't] and of course, he said he didn't gamble on games involving his own team; guess what ? Pete Rose gambled on games he was involved with. It's an obvious no-brainer; he's banned forever and should be shunned and forgotten. Baseball couldn't survive if the perception was that gamblers were fixing games.


Don, you are 100% right.
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0 #13 F. Healy 2018-08-18 23:10
Quoting Brian:
Of course "Charlie Hustle" belongs in the Hall of Fame; however, he agreed to his lifetime ban. He should be admitted the year after his death.

MLB didn't learn of his gambling problems through some investigation. Bart Giamatti and MLB came to his aid in an agreement to save his life. He was so into the mob in OH/KY that he turned himself in to MLB's office in NY for protection.


It makes no difference how anyone found out about his gambling on MLB. He did it; it is the most sacred of all violations in baseball. He should NEVER be admitted to the HOF.
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0 #12 F. Healy 2018-08-18 23:07
Quoting Darryl Tahirali:
The only critical difference now between players such as Jackson and Rose, officially banned from baseball, and the PEDs pariahs is that baseball still does not condone gambling but it is willing to give contracts to players who get caught using PEDs but are still under the threshold of getting banned.

The more I look at this, the more I think that the Hall of Fame should not be the arbiter of morality. I used to draw the line between the PEDs players and the gamblers, but I may be reconsidering.

May be reconsidering. Baseball seems to have a no-tolerance for gambling but not for PEDs, as that is a graduated system. Perhaps a permanent ban on the first offense, with an appeals process to address discrepancies, errors, etc.

Still, I think the Hall should recognize and reward baseball greatness and not legislate morality.



Steroid cheaters are almost as bad as gamblers.
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0 #11 F. Healy 2018-08-18 23:05
Quoting jchuk:
Let him in already!!! He gambled yes but his career was amazing. If other "cheaters" get in, then he should too

That old "A cheated and he's in, B cheated too, why isn't he in" is totally bogus. Rose INTENTIONALL Y violated the most sacred of all baseball restrictions , for years. That's the bottom line; nothing else matters.

He does NOT belong in the Hall of Fame. Putting him in there would make the HOF totally meaningless.
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-1 #10 jchuk 2017-04-07 07:10
Let him in already!!! He gambled yes but his career was amazing. If other "cheaters" get in, then he should too
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+3 #9 Darryl Tahirali 2016-07-18 21:34
The only critical difference now between players such as Jackson and Rose, officially banned from baseball, and the PEDs pariahs is that baseball still does not condone gambling but it is willing to give contracts to players who get caught using PEDs but are still under the threshold of getting banned.

The more I look at this, the more I think that the Hall of Fame should not be the arbiter of morality. I used to draw the line between the PEDs players and the gamblers, but I may be reconsiderin g.

May be reconsiderin g. Baseball seems to have a no-tolerance for gambling but not for PEDs, as that is a graduated system. Perhaps a permanent ban on the first offense, with an appeals process to address discrepancie s, errors, etc.

Still, I think the Hall should recognize and reward baseball greatness and not legislate morality.
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+1 #8 DSC Charabin 2016-07-17 04:58
Cheaters of one sort or another dominate the top 13 or so in this list. Says a lot when cheating to win is considered Hall worthy, betting on or against your team is worthy of honours given all the rest….
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+1 #7 Christian C 2015-07-22 10:42
I'm a huge Rose fan, having grown up in Cincinnati, but unless baseball changes its stance on gambling he should remain banned.
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+8 #6 Brian 2013-08-09 01:17
Of course "Charlie Hustle" belongs in the Hall of Fame; however, he agreed to his lifetime ban. He should be admitted the year after his death.

MLB didn't learn of his gambling problems through some investigatio n. Bart Giamatti and MLB came to his aid in an agreement to save his life. He was so into the mob in OH/KY that he turned himself in to MLB's office in NY for protection.
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-5 #5 David l 2013-03-14 02:07
If Pete had not blasted Giamatti things may have been different, Giamatti never forgave Pete and this is what happened. Yes, he lied. But as a baseball p,Ayer, steroid free, he was the best.
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