For the fourth year in a row, we here at will be predicting whom the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will be naming as Finalists for the next class.

This year, I am joined again by our own DDT and Spheniscus and we will see which one of us can correctly predict the Finalists of the most debated Hall of Fame worldwide. 

All of us clearly took different approaches as to how we came up with up our projections, and hopefully you will be entertained by our varying processes.

Follow along with us, and let us know who you think will be the final 15!

Committee Chairman:

I have to ask myself do I want to have the same thought process as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Committee?  It was their ineptitude that begat this website in the first place!

Still, the massively competitive nature dictates that I feel the need to go 15 for 15, no matter how much lack of pride I should feel about that. 

So does that mean I will come up with my prediction with my head firmly in my rectum?

No, but only because my abilities as a contortionist is lacking.

What it does mean is that due to my competitive nature I will try to answer based on the “Categories” that the Rock Hall committee seems to follow and throw in my par of pennies here and there…

Although I should point out that in my native Canada, we don’t have pennies anymore so I might have to add another so that it rounds up to an even nickel; which we still have…for now.  Have you seen our exchange rate?

1. The First Year Eligible, First Year Inducted Nominee: Pearl Jam.

I hate using the term no-brainer, especially with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame committee, but this has everything they could possibly want.  With Pearl Jam, you have your headliner with a still loyal following.  You have a band that meets significant commercial success that the casual fan can wrap their mind around.  Pearl Jam gives you an inductee that the hard rock/metal set would not complain about inducting and we are now entering a stage where we have to consider annual or bi-annual grunge entries to properly represent a genre that fits another key criteria, the rock and roll critics loved them!  Eddie Vedder can start penning his sanctimonious acceptance speech now. 

2. The Hip-Hop Representative: Tupac.

There is a strong possibility that the deceased legend could be a first ballot entry, and frankly, he probably should be, but each year there is a strong Hip-Hop candidate on the ballot, and the man who still makes appearances via hologram is the strongest of the lot. 

At this point for those of you reading this and are shaking your head bemoaning how rap or anything of its ilk is not Rock and Roll and you agreed with Gene Simmons last year, you are what I like to call one thing…


With all due respect to Gene (and by the way I have seen Kiss in concert five times) the definition of rock and roll is not, nor has ever been clearly defined.  If you are one of those waiting for Cleveland to alter that mode of thinking you are better off waiting for betamaxes to make a comeback.

3. The Return Nominee who will eventually get in: Nine Inch Nails.

This will be the third consecutive nomination (if I’m right) for Trent Reznor and this could be the year for hm.  The 1990’s alternative scene was impactful and NIN fits along perfectly with Pearl Jam as representatives from my college years. 

Sorry, just realized that my college sensibilities don’t really matter in this argument does it?

Whether or not Trent Reznor enters the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year might be in doubt, but I feel very confident in saying that he will be the only “Industrial” artist to make it. 

Honestly, one is all that is necessary…but it is necessary!

4. The Return Nominee who will never be inducted: Chic.


I am tired of the Susan Lucci references. 

I am tired of the constant nominations and subsequent rejections.

I am tired of seeing Chic as a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominee.

It is not that I don’t think that there is merit towards Chic being nominated.  I do, and I legitimately think they will be here again. 

However, let me make this proposal to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Committee:

Induct Nile Rodgers via the Award for Musical Excellence.

For those who don’t known what this is, it is replaced the “Sideman” category in 2011 and has inducted such luminaries in the past like Leon Russell, The E Street Band and Ringo Starr.

Wouldn’t Rodgers fit such a criteria?

Of course he would, and you wouldn’t have to keep nominating Chic, who constantly gets beat out by bigger names.

Will this make sense?

Can we just induct Rodgers, who has remained relevant in past years with his work with Daft Punk and be done with it?


We can’t?

Never mind and pass me a beer.

5. The Return Nominee who doesn’t care, and neither do their fans: Kraftwerk.

For the record, I am a massive Kraftwerk fan and when this site originated, I pushed for this band to be ranked #1 on the list.  That year, I got my way, and the Germans bounced up and down but never out of the top five. 

While I state this, I know this:

Most Kraftwerk fans give zero thought about this group entering Cleveland.  We suspect that neither does the band.

Either way, Kraftwerk BELONGS in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but their acceptance speech should it ever happen will be as interesting as watching a coffee table.

6. The First Time Nominee after decades: The Moody Blues.

Honestly, I am going by all of you on this one.  The article that has the most comments on is that for Moody Blues, and unilaterally it is beset with anger as not only have they not been inducted but have never been nominated.

If they do get nominated there is an excellent chance they will get in.  When looking at the past five years, such rock and roll heavyweight like Rush, Alice Cooper and Chicago were finally nominated on their first turn as a Finalist after a very long wait.  Steve Miller did too, but this may not be a memory that Jan Wenner wants to remember.   

I don’t see this group being nearly as surly if thy get inducted.

7. The Motown Representative: The Spinners

While I know that The Spinners really became stars in Philadelphia, they began in Detroit, thus giving the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame the opportunity to honor the musical hotbeds of Motown and Philly Soul.  The Spinners have been nominated before and another nomination and subsequent failure could put them on a Chic path, which I definitely don’t want to see. 

I do have respect the Spinners, but frankly would rather see Mary Wells or the Marevlettes in this spot.

8. The Progressive Rock Nominee: Yes

Prog Rock has been the pariah of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.  While bands like Yes, Jethro Tull and ELP are staples on classic rock radio, these are musicians who are clearly talented but are despised by many of the rock critics. 

I get it.  Their argument is that bands like Yes can become self-aggrandizing and boast their instrumental prowess too far to the point where the spirit of Rock and Roll is lost.  In basic terms, it is why they love the Sex Pistols and glorify people who couldn’t play more than three chords over true virtuosos of the instrument. 

Still, Cleveland should house both styles and Yes would be a great fit. 

Now which members would it be?

9.  The “Ethnic” Nominee: War

I hate the qualification I just made, but I don’t think I am exactly wrong. 

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame likes to nominate somebody/a group that does not fit the traditional Rock and Roll boundaries.  That fit when Los Lobos, was nominated in the past and the multi-ethnic group, War was nominated previously. 

Since I don’t see them nominating both, I will select War this time around and again watch them be passed over.

10. The Strong Female Nominee: Janet Jackson

I have been an advocate of Janet joining her brothers into the Hall of Fame and personally I hope not only she is nominated but gets in.

Rather than extoll Janet’s RRHOF resume, I am going to ask all of you to take a look at Mike Litherland’s “Induct Janet” campaign that has gained a lot of press, including a little help from us here at

For those of you who are trying to get your favorite musician into Cleveland follow what Mike had done.  Not once has he trashed the institution (KISS fans, I am looking at you) but has meticulously outlined why she belonged based on who she influenced and what she accomplished. 

His formula got him national press, support from Janet’s producers (Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis) and has created a template that should be followed.

Janet is going to get in and I hope that Mike gets a shout out.  He deserves it, but in the little I got to know of him over becoming Facebook friends, he won’t ask for it once.

11. The Second Female Nominee: The Eurythmics

Yeah, I know.  This isn’t exactly an all female act, but it does have a strong female lead (Annie Lennox) and a decent body of work that people remember and won’t exactly make people upset if they get in.

If they do get nominated, and/or inducted, Lennox would be the key, hence why I placed the Eurythmics as the second female act.  Those young enough remember the first time they saw Annie with her orange crewcut, androgynous look yet undeniable sex appeal…even if you couldn’t understand what that appeal was.  This is one powerful woman with an even more powerful voice who fits an establishment that craves strong female musicians. 

This may come as a slight to Dave Stewart, who is someone I have always considered brilliant, but we all know (and so does Dave) who the star was in that duo don’t we?

12. The 1980’s British Alternative Nominee: New Order

The Smiths were nominated last year.  The Cure have been nominated previously.  The Jam have never been nominated.  New Order have CRIMINIALLY never been nominated.

A near equal case can made for all four, and if you want to say the strongest case is with New Order (before you merge them with Joy Division) I will agree with you.

Is that why I am selecting them here?

It is, with the hope that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Committee will continue to put forth one of these bands and that this time and this is the most deserving.  Those of you who have been to the Rock Hall know that these are acts that have exhibits in Cleveland, which is nowhere near the one they have for Percy Sledge.

13. The Mainstream Nominee: Bon Jovi

When Bon Jovi was nominated a few years ago I was surprised they didn’t get in.  I was actually more surprised that there wasn’t more of a push from their fans demanding it.

I can’t figure it out.  I have met, and continue to know some fervent fans of Mr. Bon Jovi and this remains an act that could sell out an arena tour.  Why doesn’t this group care more about Cleveland?  I come from Toronto where the Air Canada Center actually retired the band of sorts by putting up a banner commemorating the band.  Granted that was more due to a local push from the lead singer’s then desire to help relocate the Buffalo Bills to Toronto, but nevertheless the banner is still there, and Bon Jovi’s place in the Hal is not.

In years past this slot has gone to J. Geils and most recently the Cars and while those three bands are not the same they are all mainstream in their own way, so why not see if they can get in.  If they are nominated that will get them “half way there”.

You finished the rest of that song in your head didn’t you?

14. The “Indie” Darling Nominee: Big Star

You don’t have to be commercially successful to make the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.  Ask the Velvet Underground, who made it immediately.  The Hall’s only defining criteria is “influence”, which the Velvets had in droves, though I guarantee when they got inducted there were quite a few people who viewed themselves as seasoned rock and roll fans who had no idea who they were. 

The same would have been said of Gram Parsons and the Replacements who are previous (yet not inducted) nominees.  In keeping with the Hall’s recent tradition of coming up with new nominees, I am going with Big Star, who if they get nominated might finally get the respect they deserve.

Actually, they really won’t.

15. The Headscratcher: The Grass Roots

Last year, I saw the biggest headscratcher when the J.B.’s were nominated, thus marking the first time an act that was not in our top 500 were nominated.  I will call that a one-off and I doubt we will see that again, but Spheniscus after that my Fela Kuti prediction of a few years ago seems pretty smart right?

Anyway, with that knuckleball last year I threw a dart and came up with The Grass Roots.  A decent band with a few hit songs and could fit the “Forgotten 60’s Band” Nominee.

Seriously, I really did throw a dart at a board and went with this one.  Damn, I wish it landed on Grace Jones. 

That’s it for me.  Gentlemen, can you do better? 


The best thing that happened to the Rock Hall in the past year is that the nomination process was exposed for how dumb it is. There are either somewhere around 25 members of the Nominating Committee, each gets to bring two names, who then get debated behind closed doors until only 15 candidates remain.

The problem with this process is that it promotes pet projects (that’s an alliteration so it must be true). There are rumors that Green Day almost didn’t get nominated last year because no one wanted to waste one of their two precious nomination spots on them. That is dumb.

We have been seeing a spate of acts who get in after waiting for years and years. In the last few years we have seen Cheap Trick, Chicago, Steve Miller, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Hall and Oates, Linda Rondstadt, Peter Gabriel, Albert King, Rush, Freddie King, The Faces, Neil Diamond, Dr. John, and Tom Waits all wait years and years before getting in on their first shot. Why were they all waiting so long? Too many pet projects from powerful people is my reason. Regardless it shouldn’t have taken any of them that long to be considered.

The good news is that last year this flawed process ended up with a good group of 15 nominees. Well, 14 plus the J.B.s., which was clearly a pet project. How far outside the group were they? I have a spreadsheet with over 1,800 musical acts that I go through each year. The J.B.s. have never shown up on it. I don’t expect them back, but with this system it is possible.

So while my nominees would be 2Pac, Cher, Diana Ross, Dire Straits, Gil Scott-Heron, Herbie Hancock, Janet Jackson, Judas Priest, New Order, Patti LaBelle, Pearl Jam, Rage Against the Machine, Sonic Youth, Tina Turner, Tommy James & the Shondells, and Warren Zevon … this is who I expect to get through the process this year…


After a four-year run of worthy first ballot Hall of Famers (Guns ‘N Roses in 2012, Public Enemy in 2013, Nirvana in 2014, and Green Day in 2015) the leaders of last year’s class (Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, Blur, The Black Crowes, A Tribe Called Quest, and I dunno Celine Dion or Mariah Carey?) left their first year of eligibility without as a nomination.

We will make up for that this year, just not the Class of 2016 who I think will still be without a nominee. The Class of 2017 will have 2.5 first ballot Hall of Famers. How do we get 2.5? One gets an asterisk as you will see below.


This is the Ivory Soap pick of the year. While you can’t go 100% on any nominee (after all Green Day almost didn’t get nominated in 2015 due to the stupid way they do the Nominating Committee process), Pearl Jam is as close as you are going to get to automatic.

Odds of Nomination: 99.44% (Same as the purity of Ivory Soap, at least according to their marketing department)

Odds of Induction if Nominated: Same


Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five, Run DMC, the Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, N.W.A. The question of rap artists in the Hall has long been answered. And even if it were still in doubt, you’d have to be one of those Japanese soldiers still defending their island years after WWII to have a problem with Tupac being nominated. Both he and Biggie, when he is eligible in a couple of years will be first ballot nominees.

Odds of Nomination: 95%

Odds of Induction if Nominated: Ivory Soap


This is the half nominee from the Class of 2017. Mainly because I believe that Rage Against the Machine should be a member of the Class of 2018. Generally the rules state that it is 25 full years from your first major label release. That means that the Class of 2017 released their first albums in 1991. Rage formed in ’91 and released a demo tape, but they didn’t have their eponymous first album released until 1992. For some reason, the scuttlebutt out there is that they are being considered to be eligible this year. If that is the case with the normal Nominating Committee they would be getting a nomination.

But this is not a normal Nominating Committee. This is a Nominating Committee with Tom Morello on it. The same Tom Morello who was a founding member of and played lead guitar for Rage Against the Machine. And the thought is that Morello doesn’t think that they should be eligible either and would prefer to leverage this into getting his personal favorites through rather than have Rage nominated this year. And it is not like either this year’s class with Pearl Jam and Tupac or next year’s class with Radiohead and Beck are short on star power.

So what to do with the percentages? Split the baby.

Odds of Nomination: 49.72% (halfway point between 0% and Ivory Soap)

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 70%. Three first ballots might be too many for the electorate and if so, Rage Against the Machine would clearly be the third choice. 


As I said, I think that the Committee did a really good job with the nominees last year and I expect most to return. Expect one or two of these acts to get the nod to the Hall this year.


Little known fact, Chic is actually French for musical déjà vu. You know, that sense that the same band will get nominated over and over again without actually ever getting elected to the Hall. If they get nominated this year, it will be their 11th nomination. A new record. The only other act to go as many as 10 nominations is the late, great Solomon Burke who got in on his 10th bite at the apple.

Will Chic get the nomination this year? It seems likely. They have been nominated in each of the past four classes and 10 of the 13 years they have been eligible. So why has it taken so many times? They were first ballot nominees along with The Clash, The Police, and Elvis Costello and the Attractions. So they may have gotten lost among that star power. But ultimately, it comes down to the disdain for disco. After all, Donna Summer had to die before they’d let her in. Nile Rodgers has survived his health scare. I hope he gets in while we still have him.

Odds of Nomination: 78.57% (11 out of 14)

Odds of Induction if Nominated:: 7.14% (1 out of 14) Basically what their batting averages would be for both if they got in this year.  


How did she not get in last year? I understand that the NomCom did a really good job with their nominations. But after waiting for eight years for her first nomination, she looked like a lock to get in. I was shocked she did not. And there was not a single female who entered the Hall last year.

The Hall tends to do a terrible job when it comes to female artists. They will pick one or maybe two and keep nominating them over and over until they get in and they move on to the next artist. So I would be shocked if she doesn’t reappear this year. She deserves it. She also deserves to get into the Hall this time.

Don’t screw this up voters!

Odds of Nomination: 85%

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 90%. I want to put this higher but they screwed it up last year and there are likely to be more women on the ballot this year. The last time two female artists made the Hall was 2013 with Donna Summer and Heart. The time before that was 2007. Before that was 1999. Multiple women being nominated make it harder for deserving female acts to go through. It is dumb, but that is the way it has been historically. And I expect to see at least two female acts on the ballot this year.

6. YES

For the past four years, Yes and Kraftwerk have been alternating on the ballot. With Yes having appeared last year, many people are picking Kraftwerk to return. I disagree. I think that the Committee will put Yes up again this year and next if necessary in an effort to get them in the Hall. Then go back to concentrating on Kraftwerk. While this is just a gut reaction, there are a couple of things that do back this assertion up.

Part of it is the rumor that they only didn’t get in on their first nomination in 2014 because the induction ceremony conflicted with their tour schedule. The main part is the reuniting of Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman with Trevor Rabin under the name ARW. This is basically a reuniting of the old and new versions of Yes. While guitarist Steve Howe is still touring under the Yes moniker, ARW having a worldwide tour and (allegedly) putting out new music.

Their activity puts them one up on Kraftwerk who tour in small batches, usually in Europe, but are notoriously reclusive as a band. Concentrating on Yes for a couple of years will make it easier to get both in.

Odds of Nomination: 50%. I mean it’s going to be one of them, right?

Odds of Induction if Nominated: I’ll say 25%. A full year of touring and a new album would definitely help them for the class of 2018 though.


Trent Reznor is one of the most important people in the development of music over the past 30 years. There is almost no way NIN does not continually get nominated until they (he) gets in.

Odds of Nomination: 80% This will be the third straight. If they don’t get in this year, they’ll be back next year.

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 60%. It is a little strange it has taken him to a third nomination to get in at this point.


I know I am biased being from Boston originally (I have moved to Chicago since the last nomination process took place), but I was shocked that it was Rockford, Illinois’ Cheap Trick and not the good Boston boys The Cars who got in last year. Particularly with Chicago on the ballot already.

With no first time nominees, last year’s ballot was heavy with popular groups who had been snubbed by the NomCom for years. It is possible that The Cars just got lost amongst Chicago, Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, and the Steve Miller Band (I know only Steve Miller got in, but that’s only because his band had so many members it deserved its own zip code and the Rock Hall didn’t want to deal with who was getting inducted and who wasn’t).

This year, the number of quality first time candidates will limit their competition. Like Deep Purple, they are one of those bands that once nominated, will be nominated again and again until they do get in. Without direct peers on this ballot (well, my ballot anyway), their chances appear to be pretty good that they will get to “Drive” right down I 90 to Cleveland this year.

Odds of Nomination: 55% Anything can happen, but now that the NomCom has found them, they are more likely than not to be back this year.

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 40% Only because this is going to be a tough group.


I want this spot to go the New Order or Depeche Mode or The Cure, who got one bite at the apple five years ago. But it appears that Morrissey and The Smiths are going to be the band the committee keeps nominating until they get in. The problem is that I don’t think their particular brand of angst is going to move the voters to give them the nod.

Always more popular in the U.K., they only had one top 40 hit in the U.S., “How Soon is Now”, which peaked at #36 in 1985.  And no joy and few hits makes it difficult for people to vote for them when there are so many other great groups out there. Do I think they are deserving? Yes. Do I think they’d have a better chance if one or more of the bands I previously listed got in first? Yes, I do. If The Cure and New Order were already in, The Smiths seem like someone who belongs in the Hall with them. Without their peers they may be the newest version of Chic.

Odds of Nomination: 26% They will pick one of those four bands, since they were the choice the last two years, they get a slightly better than 1 in 4 shot.

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 5% I just don’t see it.


When Los Lobos were nominated last year for the first time, my first reaction was really? If not for the presence of the J.B.s I would have thought them to be the weakest act on the ballot. After further examination this year, it is pretty clear I was wrong.

Their biggest hit was a cover of Richie Valens’ classic “La Bamba”. It doesn’t seem that would be enough to get a band past the Halls. But they are multiple Grammy winners and have been putting out their own incredible brand of music over 22 albums since the early 70s. A mix of native Latin music with well, pretty much every other type of music you can think of. They are incredibly talented, they have friends on the committee, and they will be nominated again.

Odds of Nomination: 75%

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 35% There is a ton of competition, but there isn’t anyone else really like them who is likely to be nominated. So they have better odds than most of the longer shots who will be nominated.


The Spinners are awesome. The Spinners should be in the Hall of Fame. They have been nominated three of the past five years, including the past two. It appears that even with the revamping of the Nominating Committee a few years ago, they still have their supporters. I fully expect that they will be up again this year.

Odds of Nomination: 66%

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 20%. I think that this is a long term process. They will get in eventually, but it seems like this will be a five nomination or more type of induction.


This is tough, there are lots of candidates, but with the number of acts who will be returning from last year there just won’t be that much space. So while I considered LL Cool J, Link Wray, Joe Tex, The Meters, and The Marvelettes, only one made the cut.

12. WAR

This is actually a little early for them to come back up. They were first nominated in 2009, then again in 2012, then in 2015. That’s every three years for those of you counting at home. So why do I think that this is the year they’ll be back? Mainly because they cleared out so many other of their peers last year.

With Chicago, Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, and Steve Miller now members of the Hall it becomes easier to compare those who are on the outside with those inside. War really sounds nothing like any of those individual bands. But they had musical excellence and a string of hits around the same time.  And they were one of the first truly ethnically integrated Rock bands. And with the political climate in 2017, that is more important than ever before to many voters.

Odds of Nomination: 10% It’s going to be someone from before, but who knows who.

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 56% A vote for War is a vote against one of the presidential candidates so this percentage is the inverse of his current polling numbers.


There are so many great bands and solo artists that need a shot. The Moody Blues, Dire Straits, Paul Anka, New Order, Journey, Diana Ross, Iron Maiden, Bad Company, Willie Nelson, The Grass Roots, Pantera, The Doobie Brothers, Kool & the Gang, Motley Crue, The Go-Gos, Tina Turner, Cher, Peter, Paul, and Mary, Joan Baez… and about 100 others. This time, I think only four get through.


Call it the Fictitious Rock and Roll Hall of Fame bump. The Monkees have always been seen as something of a novelty act. Created for a TV show (hence their being elected as First Ballot Fictitious Rock and Roll Hall of Fame members by the users of this site), they seem to lack the musical “gravitas” or “musical excellence” that is part of the Nominating Committee’s criteria. So they have been largely ignored.

For some reason, this year that is simply not the case. There has been a groundswell of support online and it appears to be putting a bug in the ear of People Who Know Things tm. Maybe it is because previously blacklisted acts like Rush, KISS, and Deep Purple have been cleared out of the way. Maybe it is the power of this website. Who knows? Whatever the reason, their odds have never been better. And what are those odds?

Odds of Nomination: 30%

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 40% This is a tough one. If they are there, it is possible that the 60s nostalgia and even folks like me in their mid-30s who loved The Monkees and caught the reruns of their TV show will vote for them. It is also equally possible that they are still seen as a novelty act by the voters. So it is 50-50 they’d get in. Minus 10% for how stacked this ballot is likely to be.


Alice Cooper, KISS, Deep Purple… finally the Rock Hall is getting the Hard Rock/Metal backlog cleared out. That seems to leave a space for a new Hard Rock group to get in. As much as I love Iron Maiden, it kinda has to be the Priest at this point, doesn’t it? Dark Lord knows they deserve it.

Odds of Nomination: 25% It will be one out of Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, or Pantera. The spot is there, it just depends on which band has an advocate in that room.

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 55% I would have said the same thing about Deep Purple when they first got in. Although it took 3 nominations to get them in. Once Judas Priest is before the voters they should be in pretty quickly.


A decade ago, Patti Smith got in to the Hall on her 7th attempt. Four years ago, the hard rocking women of Heart got their admission into the Rock Hall. Two years ago it was the hard rocking Joan Jett and the Blackhearts who got the nod. It seems about time for another hard rocking lady. And with apologies to Scandal, Lita Ford, and the Runaways, Pat Benatar is the Rock hero we need.

With no women being inducted last year, the Committee is going to feel some additional pressure to get more women on the ballot. And since the process rarely allows women to be nominated with both their band and solo careers (Tina Turner and Diana Ross being two prominent examples), the committee is going to have to turn to an act they haven’t looked at before. While this spot could go to Joan Baez, or Carly Simon, or Cher, or Patty LaBelle, or any number of worthy female artists, Benatar just seems the logical choice based on the results of previous years.

Odds of Nomination: 20% Lots of women to choose from, I just think she has a better chance than most.

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 33% Stacked group. Janet Jackson already on the ballot and likely getting in. Rarely do two women get in the same year. I’ll go one in three. But with a two in three shot she gets nominated again next year.


This last spot is going to go to a 60s group. It is just a question of which one. Other than The Monkees, who are their own special category, the two bands getting the most noise this year out of seemingly nowhere are Paul Revere and the Raiders and Tommy James and the Shondells.

Both are long time eligible. Paul Revere and the Raiders have been eligible since 1987. Tommy James and the Shondells since 1992. So this is a coin flip for me. And Tommy James and the Shondells’ 12 Top 40 Hits trump Paul Revere and the Raiders’ 13 Top 40 Hits due to the staying power of their songs. Honestly “I Think We’re Alone Now” and “Mony, Mony” just beat out “Good Thing” and “Indian Reservation”.

Odds of Nomination: 25% There is a pretty strong push behind them this year.

Odds of Induction if Nominated: 50% Another coin flip. This might be another Donovan situation. Someone comes out of the deep bench of the Hall and gets in right away.


When it comes to predictions, I suck at them. Especially about who the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame might put on its 2016 ballot for induction in 2017. Just when I think I might have my finger on the collective pulse of the Hall's nominating committee, I discover that I've been holding the putrefying wrist of some wheezing geezer who thinks that Ice-T is a cold beverage.

Still, like Charlie Brown and Lucy and the football, I'll take another run at this. I'll even leave aside the usual political conspiracy theory about how the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is the plaything of Jann Wenner and how both the ballot and the voting are rigged to produce favorable turnouts at the televised induction ceremony.

All right, I didn't leave it aside, but let's move forward. First, consider this: Each year brings more eligible candidates, making it harder to determine legacy as the pool expands and the definition of what is "rock and roll" becomes progressively broader and more indistinct. Already there has been talk of "Balkanization," of whether hip-hop and other musical forms should be broken out into separate Halls of Fame.

Let's start by looking at who was on the ballot last year but who didn't get elected. Chic has been on the ballot ten times since its first nomination in 2003. Janet Jackson, eligible since 2007 and first nominated last year, has been considered one of the top recent snubs. The Spinners first became eligible when Ronald Reagan was president in 1986, but they didn't get their first nomination until Barack Obama was re-elected president in 2012; the Spinners returned to the ballot in each of the last two years. However, prospects look brighter for the Smiths, eligible since 2008 and nominated in each of the last two years (and I did predict that they would be on the ballot in 2013), and for Nine Inch Nails, eligible since 2014 and nominated in each of the last two years. And progressive-rock fans may be cheered by the presence of Yes, which, although eligible since 1994, has been nominated in 2014 and 2016.

Adding to the logjam are this year's newly eligible artists: Tori Amos, Aphex Twin, the Cranberries, Cypress Hill, P.J. Harvey, Live, Pearl Jam, the Prodigy, Rage Against the Machine, Tupac Shakur, and the Spin Doctors, among other acts.

They only add to the growing list of acts that have been eligible ever since that act released its first recording at least 25 years ago. To be sure, only a small fraction of the many, many eligible acts are genuine Hall of Fame-caliber acts. All of which illustrates the three distinct but interrelated issues with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which stand in marked contrast with sports Halls of Fame:

1. There is no standard definition of "rock and roll."

2. There are no meaningful objective measures able to evaluate all candidates fairly.

3. Unlike a sports Hall of Fame, which is exclusive and restrictive, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is inclusive and expansive.

To elaborate on that third issue, let's contrast the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Major League Baseball has existed since 1876, yet despite existing for well over a century, MLB is both exclusive and restrictive—there are a limited number of teams in the two leagues, thus limiting the number of possible players, and only players who make it to the top tier, the Major Leagues, are eligible for the Baseball Hall of Fame, and those players must have played in MLB for at least ten years. In general, this holds true for the other sports Halls of Fame: the very elitism of ascending to the top rungs of any sport restricts the eligibility pool.

Moreover, the Baseball Hall of Fame and the other sports Halls of Fame are clearly defined—for instance, the Baseball Hall of Fame has only baseball-specific members. That sounds stupefyingly obvious, but consider that with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, there is no clear definition of "rock and roll." What if the Baseball Hall of Fame had members drawn from only the minor leagues? Or who had played in professional leagues other than in the United States and Canada (an issue raised just this year by Ichiro Suzuki)? Or, more expansively, who had been associated with "baseball-related" or "baseball-like" sports, such as softball or cricket?

That is what the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame faces even if you do have a broad definition of "rock and roll"—a term that by this point is virtually meaningless. The institution really should be called the Primarily Western Popular Music Made Since the Mid-1950s Hall of Fame.

So, as if throwing darts at a board littered with names, here are my predictions:

First-time Eligibles: Pearl Jam, Tupac Shakur.

With its grunge foundation and traditional approach, Pearl Jam appeals to classic-rock and modern-rock sensibilities, and it looks to be the big new name this year. Thanks to N.W.A.'s induction last year, the door may be open for 2Pac, who probably won't get in the first time but who could very well get on the ballot if hip-hop, and gangsta in particular, remains a hot item.

Returning from 2015 Ballot: Chic, Janet Jackson, Nine Inch Nails, Yes.

You get the feeling that Chic will be a ballot fixture until it is finally elected? I do. Maybe Janet Jackson had to serve her probation on the ballot, but she should be back for voters' consideration. Nine Inch Nails has been on the last two ballots after becoming newly eligible and should continue to generate interest as industrial builds support. Yes languished for a decade before getting its first nomination, but it has been on the ballot in two of the last three years—an encouraging sign for prog-rock. With Deep Purple finally getting the Hall nod last year, Yes may find its support building too.

Nominated Previously: The J. Geils Band, Kraftwerk, the MC5

All three have at least one nomination, with J. Geils and Kraftwerk having appeared on three ballots: Geils had a flush of recognition in the mid-2000s and returned in 2011; the band would be this year's de facto blues representative in addition to its classic-rock credentials. Kraftwerk has had a flurry of interest in recent years, and as a formative influence on electronica/electronic dance music, it could see that interest growing. The MC5's only nomination came back in 2003, so it may be taking its turn in the queue for proto-punk bands, and with the Stooges' Hall induction occurring back in 2010, the nominating committee may think that these deep influences are overdue for recognition.

Never Nominated: Blue Öyster Cult, Dire Straits, Jethro Tull, Kool and the Gang, Queen Latifah, Sonic Youth

The grand old man here is Jethro Tull, eligible for 23 years with never a nod. Tull is a quirky animal—is it prog-rock? folk-rock? roots rock? Elizabethan boogie?—but as a classic-rock fixture its first nomination is long overdue. Just a step behind Tull is Kool and the Gang, funk and R&B stalwarts whose legacy began long before "Celebration" became a song you will hear at wedding receptions for the next 50 years. With Blue Öyster Cult recognized as an influence on contemporary stoner metal, combined with a lasting appreciation for its sleek, smart prog-metal albums from the 1970s, it too is hurting for recognition. (Also, BÖC Svengali Sandy Pearlman died earlier this year.)

With its mid-1980s ubiquity, Dire Straits would seem to have had at least one nomination considering the Hall's fondness for classic rock. Maybe this is its year? Or is it money for nothing again? Even with her hip-hop beginnings, Queen Latifah may be regarded more as an actor than a rapper—still, her musical efforts established a distinct female presence in hip-hop. As an overarching presence in the post-punk period, Sonic Youth is overdue for its first nomination considering that the Replacements got an unlikely nod in 2014.

As I leave you to ponder whether my prediction suckage continues, consider the number of acts for the last 30 years—going back to 1986, when the Hall inducted its first class—that have been eligible for the Hall but have never been nominated. Keep in mind that this is a list of artists who have never been nominated. Not once, and although some of them may have been "considered" during the nomination process, they never actually made it onto a ballot. Nor does this list include the 41 artists who have been nominated at least once, and thus were given a shot at the Hall, but as yet have not been inducted.

Eligible for 30 years: Judy Collins, Willie Nelson, and Paul Revere and the Raiders.

Eligible for 29 years: Dick Dale and Peter, Paul and Mary.

Eligible for 28 years: The Crystals.

Eligible for 27 years: The Moody Blues.

Eligible for 26 years: Albert Collins, the Guess Who, John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers, and the Shangri-Las.

Eligible for 25 years: Tim Buckley, Captain Beefheart, Harry Chapin, Jim Croce, Love, and the Monkees.

Eligible for 24 years: Canned Heat, Country Joe and the Fish, Fairport Convention, Arlo Guthrie, Moby Grape, the Move, Harry Nilsson, the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, and Ten Years After.

Eligible for 23 years: Blood, Sweat and Tears; Can, Free, Jethro Tull, Spirit, and Steppenwolf.

Eligible for 22 years: The Carpenters, the Chi-Lites, Joe Cocker, Nick Drake, Grand Funk Railroad, King Crimson, Kool and the Gang, Mott the Hoople, Slade, Three Dog Night, and Warren Zevon.

Eligible for 21 years: Ry Cooder; Emerson, Lake and Palmer; Todd Rundgren, Supertramp, Tangerine Dream, and UFO.

Eligible for 20 years: The Doobie Brothers, the Electric Light Orchestra, LaBelle, Little Feat, John Prine, REO Speedwagon, and Thin Lizzy.

Eligible for 19 years: Big Star, Blue Öyster Cult, Peter Frampton, Loggins and Messina, Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, Roxy Music, the Scorpions, and Styx.

Eligible for 18 years: Bachman-Turner Overdrive, the Marshal Tucker Band, Tina Turner, and Barry White.

Eligible for 17 years: Bad Company, Brian Eno, Judas Priest, and Kansas.

Eligible for 16 years: Journey, Ted Nugent, and Television.

Eligible for 15 years: Boston, Nick Lowe, the Modern Lovers, Graham Parker, the Runaways.

Eligible for 14 years: Björk, the Buzzcocks, Devo, the Jam, Motörhead, Iggy Pop, Suicide, and XTC.

Eligible for 13 years: Black Flag, Kate Bush, Dire Straits, the Fall, Gang of Four, the Human League, Joy Division, Midnight Oil, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Squeeze, the Undertones, Toto, Whitesnake, and X.

Eligible for 12 years: The B-52's, Bauhaus, Pat Benatar, Dead Kennedys, Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, the Specials, and "Weird Al" Yankovic.

Eligible for 11 years: The Go-Go's, INXS, the Minutemen, and Ozzy Osbourne.

Eligible for 10 years: Bad Religion, the Bangles, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Hüsker Dü, Ministry, Mötley Crüe, New Order, Stevie Nicks, and Lionel Ritchie.

Eligible for 9 years: Marshall Crenshaw, Culture Club, Steve Earle, Ice-T, Sonic Youth, and Violent Femmes.

Eligible for 8 years: Anthrax, Billy Bragg, k.d. lang, Cyndi Lauper, Pantera, Pulp, Queensrÿche, Ratt, Slayer, Social Distortion, and Suicidal Tendencies.

Eligible for 7 years: Nick Cave, the Cult, the Flaming Lips, Whitney Houston, the Jesus and Mary Chain, the Pet Shop Boys, the Pogues, Sade, and Soul Asylum.

Eligible for 6 years: Camper van Beethoven, Dinosaur Jr., Faith No More, Fishbone, Happy Mondays, Chris Isaak, Megadeth, My Bloody Valentine, Primal Scream, Stone Roses, Suzanne Vega.

Eligible for 5 years: Babyface, Crowded House, the Lemonheads, Lyle Lovett, Salt N Pepa, Soundgarden, Matthew Sweet, They Might Be Giants, Yo La Tengo.

Eligible for 4 years: Boogie Down Productions, Terence Trent D'Arby, EPMD, Jane's Addiction, George Michael, Sinead O'Connor, the Pixies, and the Sugarcubes.

Eligible for 3 years: Tracy Chapman, De La Soul, Fugazi, Living Colour, Massive Attack, Morrisey, Mudhoney, the Offspring, Phish, the Traveling Wilburys.

Eligible for 2 years: Garth Brooks, Neneh Cherry, Lenny Kravitz, Manic Street Preachers, Sarah McLachlan, the Orb, Pavement, Queen Latifah, the Sundays.

Eligible for 1 year: Alice in Chains, Blur, the Breeders, Hole, Ice Cube, Moby, Orbital, Primus, Smashing Pumpkins, Teenage Fanclub, a Tribe Called Quest.

Not all these names belong on a ballot. But all of them have their supporters, who in turn can make arguments for why their act belongs in the Hall of Fame. Moreover, I have surely omitted names whose adherents will claim are "snubs" and deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

And, finally, that list goes back only 30 years—you could add artists whose eligibility is even longer: Joan Baez, Pat Boone, Johnny Burnette and the Rock 'n' Roll Trio, Jerry Butler, Chubby Checker, Patsy Cline, Danny and the Juniors, the Five Satins, and Cliff Richard and the Shadows are among others who have never been nominated.

You try making a prediction from that list. Go on. I dare you.


Which one of us will do best?

What are your thoughts?

As always we look forward to your feedback and we will be awaiting in early October where in the wee hours of the night the Rock Hall announces their Finalists. 


an interview with André Cholmondeley
by Live Music Head
Originally published at on October 27, 2010

Andre Cholmondeley
André Cholmondeley

Covering the complex music of Frank Zappa, Project/Object formed in a New Jersey basement in 1993. As opposed to “tribute”, Project/Object prefers “a band that salutes the original” when describing not only what’s grabbed the attention of Zappa fans, but the Zappa alumni themselves. Ed Mann, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Jimmy Carl Black, and Don Preston are only a few alumni who’ve appeared with them on stage. Ike Willis (otherwise known as “Joe” on Joe’s Garage) and Ray White (vocalist/guitarist in Frank’s band from the late-70s to the mid-80s), have also played with Project/Object and are now returning for a tour that kicks off this week. André Cholmondeley, the driving force behind the group, recently took time out for a chat with Live Music Head as a lead up to the Nov 1st show at B.B. King's Blues Club & Grill, in the heart of Times Square...

What kind of name is Cholmondeley and where are your roots?

It’s English. I was born in British Guyana, moved to Chicago when I was a baby, then moved back to Guyana when I turned 5. I also lived in Brooklyn NY for a while, before moving to New Jersey.

What made you decide to be a musician and who were your early influences?

Ever since I was a kid trying to work my father’s record player, I’ve wanted to participate in music. My father listened to everything from Bobby Goldsboro to Isaac Hayes. As a teenager, I plunked away on my aunt’s guitar, before I borrowed one and took lessons. I studied Beethoven, Mozart and Bach and taught classical music history in college. My influences include Edgar Varese, Karlheinz Stockhausen and John Cage.

Ike Willis
Ike Willis

You’ve become good friends with more than a few Zappa alumni. Tell me about your first meeting with Ike Willis?

I was at a Zappa show in 1984 when I noticed Ike standing out with the audience. I went up and introduced myself. I met him several times after that, and eventually told him about my band and gave him a cassette. Two weeks later he called and said, “it sounds pretty good, but needs work. I’d love to come out and whip you guys into shape!” (laughs) A couple months later, Ike was playing with us.

How did Ray White get involved with Project/Object?

I met Ray in 1984 as well. But when I met him again in 2000, we were playing a Zappa festival in Illinois and he came up and sang a song with us. And then he sat in at a show in San Francisco, where he lives.

Ray White
Ray White

The Zappa Family Trust has spoken out against bands covering Frank’s music. Has Gail Zappa (Frank’s wife) really been after you for unpaid royalties, or what’s really been going on?

U.S. law requires only that cover bands play in a place that has its ASCAP (American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers) license. As long as the club pays its ASCAP dues, bands can perform other people’s music. I’d like to debate Gail Zappa in a public forum because she sends letters to us, yet no one is breaking the law.

With the state of the music business the way it is and money not going in the same pockets it used to, perhaps this is the reason venues are being harder hit.

Artists don’t really see much money from that type of royalty. Artists make their money by touring. People buy their music at iTunes, or just steal it.

Stealing takes the money out of the pockets it once lined as well, which brings me back to Gail Zappa.

Gail doesn’t sell any of Frank’s music on iTunes because she doesn’t think his music should be compressed. She also doesn’t want to break up his songs into singles. We could have a six hour discussion on the merit of iTunes and the quality of an mp3, but there are ways of selling high quality material on iTunes.

What do you think Frank would say about it?

Well, it’s always dangerous to try and guess what someone else may think, but having read tons of interviews, Zappa, as an independent artist, realized he had to finance what he really wanted to do. With the potential of a hundred thousand people buying one song on iTunes, I think Frank would have
thrown Dancing Fool up there.

It’s too bad that the relationship is not better between Project/Object and the Zappa Family Trust.

We’re not the only Frank Zappa band and we’re certainly not the only band the Zappa Family Trust has gone after to try and stop. But here’s my bottom line, and where I think I stand on righteous grounds: Frank Zappa has made a living from taking other people’s music and using it in his own. Listen to The Adventures of Greggery Peccary and you’ll hear Herbie Hancock, with no credit to him on the record. And at the end of Cyborg from Joe’s Garage, the dying robot who says, “you’re pushing too hard, you’re pushing too hard, you’re pushing too hard on me” is taken from a song by The Seeds. By taking stuff from popular music, Zappa’s made brilliant commentary on our whole social landscape. But did Frank Zappa request permission from Lennon and McCartney when he went up on stage and performed Beatle songs?

So you really would debate Gail Zappa in a public forum, if she agreed?

With total confidence, I challenge Gail Zappa to take part in an open debate. I’d do it in a heartbeat anytime, anywhere.


Cheri Jiosne, who lost her life to breast cancer only a couple of months ago, was a fellow musician and 
your wife for over twenty years. I offer my condolences. Can you tell me about your relationship with Cheri?

Cheri was a drummer and percussionist and we had an experimental band called JFK's LSD UFO. We performed countless times as a duo at places like the Knitting Factory, and toured Europe with Don Preston. We also made music for film soundtracks, notably Meshes of the Afternoon by Maya Deren. Cheri was my life partner.

I understand you’re big fan of the Canadian rock band RUSH. Is it true you’ve seen every RUSH tour since 1979?

Yes, since I was 14. I just saw them again a few weeks ago in Atlanta, and it was emotional because it was the first RUSH show I’ve seen without Cheri since 1993. But I went with Cheri’s sister, which was really cool.

What is it about RUSH that you like so much?

They make me think about everything from writing songs to politics, socialism, and the human condition. They’re inspiring as people. It’s an incredible thing to put a band together with musicians who really get along. I’ve been fortunate in this area as well.

You’re a very gifted musician to be playing the music you do.

I have a good ear and when it’s written out for me, I can play the difficult stuff. But I also have amazing musicians in my band who pull me along.

I hear you’ve also been working with Greg Lake and Keith Emerson.

We’re currently on hiatus, but yes, I did a six week tour with them. I was their guitar and bass tech. I’m lucky to have something else to offer besides playing in the band. I’ve also been fortunate to have worked for Adrian Belew, Eddie Jobson and Derek Trucks.

Project/Object performs at B.B. King's Blues Club & Grill in Manhattan on November 1. Have you played there before and have you ever met B.B. King?

I’m a big fan of B.B. King and I’ve seen him perform more than once. We’ve never met, but on Nov 1st I think it’ll be Project/Object’s tenth time playing at his bar.

Project/Object official website...

B.B. King’s Blues Club & Grill

~ photos courtesy of Tore Kersten

Multiple Maniacs

(1970 American cult film starring Divine and David Lochary;
written, produced, edited and directed by John Waters)
newly-restored screening at tiff. Bell Lightbox
August 7, 2016
by Live Music Head


(2016 American fly-on-the-wall documentary about the sex scandal that was Anthony Weiner
and its impact on his campaign for Mayor of New York City during the 2013 election;
directed by Josh Kriegman and Elyse Steinberg)
by Live Music Head
We here at thought it would be fun to take a look at the major awards in North American team sports and see how it translates into Hall of Fame potential.

Needless to say, different awards in different sports yield hall of fame potential.  In basketball, the team sport with the least amount of players on a roster, the dividend for greatness much higher.  In baseball, it is not as much as a great individual season does not have the same impact.

We are taking a look at the NBA Defensive Player of the Year, which if you ask us is the most undervalued award in all of professional sports.

How will this one turn out?

Let’s take a look!

The following are the past players who have won NBA Defensive Player of the Year who are eligible for the Basketball Hall of Fame and have been enshrined.

Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (1988)

Yeah, that guy.  It is almost forgotten just how food MJ was defensively too.  This year, Jordan would lead the NBA in Steals per Game and would also earn his first league MVP.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2009.

Dennis Rodman, Detroit Pistons (1990)

This would be the first of two Dennis Rodman’s All Star seasons.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2011.

Dennis Rodman, Detroit Pistons (2) (1991)

“The Worm” enjoyed his first double digit rebounding season.  Rodman would lead in that category the next seven years.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2011.

David Robinson, San Antonio Spurs (1992)

The “Admiral” led the NBA with a sick 4.5 Blocks per Game and 12.2 Rebounds per Game average.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2009.

Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston Rockets (1993)

Olajuwon won the Blocks Title and posted 13 Rebounds per Game.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2008.

Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston Rockets (2) (1994)

This year, Olajuwon won the NBA Title and the Finals MVP.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2008.

Dikembe Mutombo, Denver Nuggets (1995)

Start the finger wagging.  Mutombo led the NBA in Blocks per Game and had 12.5 Rebounds per Game.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2015.

Gary Payton, Seattle Super Sonics (1996)

The “Glove” is to date the only Point Guard to ever win this award.  Payton would win the Steals title this season and was perennially a top five fixture in this category.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2015.

Dikembe Mutombo, Atlanta Hawks (2) (1997)

Mutombo would put up 3.3 Blocks and 11.6 Rebounds per Game this season.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2013.

Dikembe Mutombo, Atlanta Hawks (3) (1998)

Mutombo would put up 3.4 Blocks and 11.4 Rebounds per Game this season.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2015.

Alonzo Mourning, Miami Heat (1999)

Mourning led the National Basketball Association in Blocks per Game and put up his best Rebounding Totals with 11 per Game.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2014.

Alonzo Mourning, Miami Heat (2) (2000)

Mourning would again lead the NBA in Blocks per Game and still have a healthy rebounding average of 9.5 per Game.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2014.

Dikembe Mutombo, Atlanta Hawks/Philadelphia 76ers (4) (2001)

Mutombo win his second of two rebounding titles.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2015.

The following are the players who have won the NBA Defensive Player of the Year who are eligible for the Basketball Hall of Fame and have not been selected:

Sidney Moncrief, Miwaukee Bucks (1983)

Shooting Guard, Sidney Moncrief enjoyed his second All Star game and also enjoyed his best offensive season of his career with a 22.5 PPG and a career high PER of 22.6.  Ranked #2 on

Sidney Moncrief, Miwaukee Bucks (2) (1984)

This would be Moncrief’s third All Star season and this would be the best rebounding year of his NBA career with a 6.7 RPG.  Ranked #2 on

Mark Eaton, Utah Jazz (1985)

Mark Eaton would lead the NBA in Blocks per Game four times, and yes this was one of those seasons.  This year, Eaton would tally 11.3 Rebounds per Game, the best of his career.  Unranked on

Alvin Robertson, San Antonio Spurs (1986)

In Robertson’s sophomore season, the Shooting Guard would lwad the NBA in Steals and Steals per Game.  Robertson would win the Steals title two more times in his career.  Ranked #54 on

Michael Cooper, Los Angeles Lakers (1987)

“Showtime” Michael Cooper never made an All Star Game but has five NBA Championship Rings and five First Team All Defensive Selections.  Ranked #51 on

Mark Eaton, Utah Jazz (2) (1989)

This would be Eaton’s lone All Star season.  Unranked on

Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons (2002)

“Big” Ben Wallace would win the Blocks and Rebounding Title this year.  Ranked #6 on

Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons (2) (2003)

Wallace would again win the Rebounding Title, this time with his highest total of 15.4.  This would be his first season named to an All Star.  Ranked #6 on

Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons (3) (2005)

This would be Wallace’s third All Star Season and he would post 2.4 Blocks and 12.2 Rebounds per Game.  Ranked #6 on

Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons (4) (2006)

This would be Wallace’s fourth and final All Star Season and he would post 2.2 Blocks and 11.3 Rebounds per Game.  Ranked #6 on

Let’s update our tally shall we?

Award in Question

Percentage of recipients who have entered the HOF

Percentage of recipients by year who have entered the HOF.




NHL Norris



NBA All Star Game MVP



NHL Lady Byng



NFL Super Bowl MVP



NBA Defensive Player of the Year



NBA Rookie of the Year



NHL Frank J. Selke Trophy



NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year



MLB Edgar Martinez Award



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Designated Hitter)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Shortstop)



NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Catcher)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Pitcher)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Second Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Outfield)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Third Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (First Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Rookie of the Year



So who is up next?

The following are the players who have won the NBA Defensive Player of the Year who have retired but have not met the mandatory years out of the game to qualify for the Basketball Hall of Fame:

Marcus Camby, Denver Nuggets (2007)

While Marcus Camby was never an All-Star, he was always sought out by NBA teams to shore up their defense.  In this Defensive Player of the Year winning season, he won his third of four Blocking Titles.  Camby will be eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2018.

The following are the players who have won the NBA Defensive Player of the Year who are still active.

Metta World Peace (Ron Artest), Indiana Pacers (2004)

That season, the former Ron Artest went to his only All Star Game, however the controversial figure is not pegged as a future Hall of Famer.  Currently with the Los Angeles Lakers.  36 Years Old.   

Marcus Camby, Indiana Pacers (2007)

That season, the former Ron Artest went to his only All Star Game, however the controversial figure is not pegged as a future Hall of Famer.  Currently with the Los Angeles Lakers.  36 Years Old.   

Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic (2009)

Dwight Howard would win the Blocks and Rebounding title this season, the third of which he was named an All Star.  Currently with the Houston Rockets.  30 Years Old.   

Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic (2) (2010)

“Superman” would duplicate that sick feat, again winning both the Rebounding and Blocks title.  Currently with the Houston Rockets.  30 Years Old.   

Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic (3) (2011)

Howard didn’t win either title this year, but still put up a 14.1 Rebound and 2.4 Blocks per Game Average.  Currently with the Houston Rockets.  31 Years Old.   

Tyson Chandler, New York Knicks (2012)

The year after he won the NBA Championship with the Dallas Mavericks, Tyson Chandler would win his only individual award in the NBA.  Currently with the Phoenix Suns.  34 Years Old.   

Marc Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies (2013)

The brother of Pau Gasol went to two All Star Games, but this wasn’t one of those seasons.  Gasol had 1.7 Blocks, 1.0 Steals and 7.8 Rebounds per Game.  Currently with the Memphis Grizzlies.  31 Years Old.   

Joakim Noah, Chicago Bulls (2014)

This would be Noah’s best rebounding season in which he posted 11.3 per game.  It is notable that this was also his best offensive output with 12.6 Points per Game. Currently with the Chicago Bulls.  31 Years Old.   

Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio Spurs (2015)

Leonard would win the Steals Title this season. Currently with the San Antonio Spurs.  25 Years Old.   

Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio Spurs (2015)

This would be Leonard’s first All Star Season. Currently with the San Antonio Spurs.  25 Years Old.   

This award had it all didn’t it?

From the G.O.A.T. (Jordan) to a two time winner you forgot about (Eaton).

Based on the winners from he past ten years there is no reason to think that this will be a changing pattern, though with the recent winners, it appears that we are headed for a bit of a drought for Springfield.

So what will we look at next?

We will go back to Baseball and one of the most coveted awards in sports, the Cy Young Award.

Look for that soon and as always we thank you for your support!
We here at thought it would be fun to take a look at the major awards in North American team sports and see how it translates into Hall of Fame potential.

Needless to say, different awards in different sports yield hall of fame potential.  In basketball, the team sport with the least amount of players on a roster, the dividend for greatness much higher.  In baseball, it is not as much as a great individual season does not have the same impact.

We are taking a look at the NBA Defensive Player of the Year, which if you ask us is the most undervalued award in all of professional sports.

Interestingly, there has never been a duplicate winner of this award and there is little reason to think that will change.

Realistically, the winners of this award will result in the least scientific look of the respective winner, as statistics are not meant to be the first metric looked at.

How will this one turn out?

Let’s take a look!

The following are the past players who have won the King Clancy Memorial Trophy who are eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame and have been enshrined.

Lanny McDonald, Calgary Flames (1988)

By this point, Lanny was still an effective leader but was not necessarily at a point where he was putting the puck in the net.  Still good in doing the unsung work of the game, McDonald only score 23 Points this season, but was a season away from retirement, but more importantly winning his first Stanley Cup.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1992.

Bryan Trottier, New York Islanders (1989)

Like Lanny McDonald, Bryan Trottier was in clear decline at this point and was coming off his worst performance of the year, though he would have four more seasons in the NHL each of which would follow the pattern of being his worst offensive output.  Trottier was however a bona fide star earlier in his career with the Islanders Dynasty and was active in Special Olympics and Make-A-Wish Program.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1997.

Ray Bourque, Boston Bruins (1992)

This is the first King Clancy winner who had a solid career after winning this award.  Bourque was only 31 and was still a Norris Trophy Winner and Stanley Cup Champion after this accolade.   While he is not the first to win this who was on the downswing of a career, he is still a hockey player who had a lot left in the tank.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2004.

Joe Nieuwendyk, Calgary Flames (1995)

Joe Nieuwendyk was in the prime of his career at this point and was about to move on to the Dallas Stars and win the Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe, a performance that might have put him over the Hall of Fame hump.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2011.

Ron Francis, Carolina Hurricanes (2002)

Ron Francis won this award at age 38 and was already a Hall of Famer by this point.  He would win his third of his three Lady Byngs this year andalready had 1,500 career Points.  He would play two more years in the NHL.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2011.

Brendan Shanahan, Detroit Red Wings (2003)

Ron Francis won this award at age 38 and was already a Hall of Famer by this point.  He would win his third of his three Lady Byngs this year andalready had 1,500 career Points.  He would play two more years in the NHL.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2013.

The following are the players who have won the King Clancy Memorial Trophy who are eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame and have not been selected:

Kevin Lowe, Edmonton Oilers (1990)

Let’s continue the pattern as Kevin Lowe was already in decline by this point.  Still this is arguably the best Edmonton Oiler who has not made the Hockey Hall of Fame and he was a major contributor to charitable projects in the city of Edmonton.  Ranked #28 on

Dave Taylor, Los Angeles Kings (1991)

Dave Taylor, who played his entire career with the Los Angeles Kings, would win his only individual trophies this season as not only dis he capture the Clancy, he was also awarded the Bill Masterton.  Taylor was 35 when he won this accolade and had his bet years behind him.  Still, his charitable work in SoCal earned this award.  Ranked #22 on

Dave Poulin, Boston Bruins (1993)

Dave Poulin had a solid career and was one of the better defensive forwards in the game.  1993 was his last decent year and he would retire two years later.   Unranked on    

Adam Graves, New York Rangers (1994)

To date, Adam Graves is the youngest winner of the King Clancy, and the 1994-95 Season was by far his most memorable.  This was the season where he would win in his second Stanley Cup, and was a major part of the win.  This is also the only season where he was named a post season All Star.  Still, this was his peak, and a career worthy of Hall of Very Good.   Ranked #68 on   

Kris King, Winnipeg Jets (1996)

The King Clancy Award would be the only NHL Award that fourteen year NHL veteran, Kris King would win.  The rugged forward was a fan favorite but was never going to be considered a Hall of Famer.  Unranked on   

Trevor Linden, Vancouver Canucks (1997)

Surprisingly, this is the only major award that Trevor Linden ever won in the National Hockey League.  Linden will go down as one of the most respected players in hockey but that does not mean he was one of the best.  He was a very good player though, and will forever be an icon in Vancouver.  Ranked #73 on   

Kelly Chase, St. Louis Blues (1998)

Not only is this the only NHL Award that Kelly Chase won, this is the only time he was remotely close.  Chase was a goon, who never had 100 career Points but off the ice, his charitable efforts made him a saint.  Unranked on   

Rob Ray, Buffalo Sabres (1999)

Scoring only 4 Points in this campaign, like Kelly Chase, Rob Ray was a popular figure for his fisticuffs.  Ray, who would play a total of 900 NHL Games and would lead the NHL in Penalty Minutes twice, including his King Clancy Award winning season.  Unranked on   

Curtis Joseph, Toronto Maple Leafs (2000)

The first Goalie to wing the King Clancy, “Cujo” was one of the more respected netminders of his day, yet this was the only award that Joseph would ever win.  He was however a two time All Star, the second of which took place this season.  Ranked #17 on   

Shjon Podein, Colorado Avalanche (2001)

Shjon Podein had a great 2000/01 season as not only did he win the King Clancy Award but would be part of the Colorado Avalanche Stanley Cup win.  Podein is not a Hall of Famer but has a ring, which is likely good enough for him.  Unranked on   

Olaf Kolzig, Colorado Avalanche (2006)

Olaf Kolzig might be the second Goalie to win the King Clancy, but he is the first European to win it.  At this point in his career, his best years were behind him and he was five seasons removed from his lone Vezina Trophy and First Team NHL nod.  Unranked on   

Ethan Moreau, Edmonton Oilers (2010)

This was the only award that Ethan Moreau would win and the sixteen year vet would have 287 career Points, not a number that will ever get him a Hall of Fame look.  Unranked on   

Doug Weight, New York Islanders (2011)

Doug Weight was a four time All Star, and in his final season in the National Hockey League he won his only individual award, the King Clancy.  Weight is a player who is on the wrong end of the HOF bubble, but at least he is on the bubble.  Ranked #34 on   

Let’s update our tally shall we?

Award in Question

Percentage of recipients who have entered the HOF

Percentage of recipients by year who have entered the HOF.




NHL Norris



NBA All Star Game MVP



NHL Lady Byng



NFL Super Bowl MVP



NBA Rookie of the Year



NHL Frank J. Selke Trophy



NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year



MLB Edgar Martinez Award



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Designated Hitter)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Shortstop)



NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Catcher)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Pitcher)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Second Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Outfield)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Third Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (First Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Rookie of the Year



So who is up next?

The following are the players who have won the King Clancy Memorial Trophy who have retired but have not met the mandatory years out of the game to qualify:

Saku Koivu, Montreal Canadians (2007)

There are few players who were as respected as the first Finnish recipient of the King Clancy, Saku Koivu, and he will have a spot on our list once he is eligible.  Saying that, we are not expecting him to get inducted.  Koivu will be eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2017.

Daniel Alfredsson, Ottawa Senators (2012)

Possibly the best Ottawa Senator of all-time (including both incarnations), Daniel Alfredsson won the King Clancy late in his career, but was already a 1,000 Point scorer, a Second Team All Star and a Calder Trophy winner.  We expect that after a few years of eligibility he will enter the Hockey Hall of Fame.  Alfredsson will be eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2017.

The following are the players who have won the King Clancy Memorial Trophy who are still active.

Jarome Iginla, Calgary Flames (2004)

Jarome Iginla won this award at age 26 and built up his Hall of Fame resume since then.  We expect him to be a Hall of Fame lock.  Currently with the Colorado Avalanche.  38 Years Old.   

Vincent LeCavilier, Tampa Bay Lightning (2008)

Vincent LeCavalier won this award a year after winning his lone Rocket Richard and post season NHL All Star awards.  His career is winding down and it is not likely that he has done enough to make the Hall.  Currently with the Los Angeles Kings.  36 Years Old.   

Shane Doan, Phoenix Coyotes (2010)

The overall career of Shane Doan screams “Hall of Very Good”.  He was a damned good player, but this was the only award he ever won (see a pattern?), but when we get to greatest Coyotes of all time, it is hard to imagine Doan not topping that list.  Currently with the Arizona Coyotes.  39 Years Old.   

Patrice Bergeron, Boston Bruins (2013)

This will be interesting.  Patrice Bergeron is a three time Frank J. Selke Award winner and a Stanley Cup Champion, but is not a bona fide scoring forward.  What will happen here?  Currently with the Boston Bruins.  30 Years Old.   

Andrew Ference, Edmonton Oilers (2014)

To date this is the only individual award that Andrew Ference has won and we don’t see that changing anytime soon.  He won’t make the Hockey Hall of Fame.   Currently with the Edmonton Oilers.  36 Years Old.   

Henrik Zetterberg, Detroit Red Wings (2015)

This can’t hurt.  Zetterberg will likely be a bubble candidate as he is a former Conn Smythe Winner and a former Second Team All Star.  A very respected player, a King Clancy is a testament to his character, which might be what helps get him in.   Currently with the Edmonton Oilers.  35 Years Old.  

Honestly, I don’t know what this proved, but considering this is an award that talks about the real good guys of the game, it was worth the time and like we said at the beginning, this is not exactly scientific!

So what will we look at next?

We will go to what we consider to be the most undervalued award in sports, the NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award.

Look for that soon and as always we thank you for your support!

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May 18, 2016
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