Your Baseball List...

10 years 8 months ago #228 by Knuckles
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Bonds was a HOF-player. If he does not get in, I won't have a problem. If he does get in, I hope it is because the understanding of PEDs is a lot better than summarial dismissal without attempting to find out any facts.Vizquel is a fine defensive shortstop who has played long enough to accumulate a lot of hits. He put up Aparicio offensive numbers in an era when shortstop had transformed into a top hitting position for many teams. He never had great range, nor was he ever a top assist guy. I would have to give him a thumbs down, but he does have a case.

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10 years 8 months ago #110 by Casper
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Knuckles, the project where that list emanates from is the Ultimate Quest For Candidates over in the Hall of Fame section at Baseball Fever. Those results were arrived at about three years ago.

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10 years 8 months ago #93 by Committee Chairman
We love the research aspect of it....that's for sure... Hopefully, when we complete are baseball revisions, you will like what we do with it as we are certainly taking notes received here in consideration.

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10 years 8 months ago #91 by Knuckles
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Casper wrote:Indeed....well, if it's any help, here's at least the Baseball Fever Queue for who should be in the Hall of Fame:1. Ron Santo2. Tim Raines3. Dick Allen4. Bill Dahlen5. Minnie Minoso6. Alan Trammell7. Paul Hines8. Ted Simmons9. Deacon White10. Sherry Magee11. Bobby Grich12. Mark McGwire13. Ross Barnes14. Joe Torre15. Dale Murphy16. Stan Hack17. Harry Stovey18. Lou Whitaker19. Charlie Bennett20. Larry Doyle21. Wes Ferrell22. Carl Mays23. Bob Caruthers24. Darrell Evans25. Joe Start26. Bill Freehan27. Vern Stephens28. Dave Parker29. Tony Mullane30. George Van Haltren31. Will Clark32. Heinie Groh33. Keith Hernandez34. Albert Belle35. Dwight Evans36. Gil Hodges37. Ken Boyer38. George Gore39. Ezra Sutton40. Dickey PearceThat list doesn't include a lot of key recent eligible candidates because it's a couple years out-of-date. Barry Larkin in particular is one of the biggest snubs although he should be getting in for sure in 2012 or 2013, if not 2011. Tim Raines seems to have done well this year also, according to early projections. Agreed that your list really seemed to skip over the 19th Century a bit too much. For the record, that list I just posted extends to nearly 150 names. And your #10, Roger Maris isn't one of them. The guy has also received virtually zero votes (if not actually zero) in Baseball Fever's HOF and the Hall of Merit over at Baseball Think Factory. The guy doesn't even have much of a case if you're just looking at traditional metrics and counting stats. Honestly, looking at the Hall in Cooperstown, nobody should really have a list greater than 50 of names that warrant omission. But this site having missed out on certain players in the above group of 40 that I just listed is pretty unforgivable because, again, there really aren't that many close calls. Players like Guidry, Blue & Colavito shouldn't even enter into the discussion.

Where exactly on Baseball Fever does this queue come from? Is this one member's opinion? I don't recall any rankings polls like this. I do like the list, but considering how most of Fever's HOF votes and polls include Negro and Japanese league players, I am wondering where they are.I, for one, do appreciate how you're being proactive here. It's so easy just to tear down lists and let it go at that. Opening the doors for further research is a great thing.

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10 years 8 months ago #85 by Committee Chairman
Casper, We will definitely be looking into the older era when we unveil our next list. As for Maris, there is no argument from our end (and i believe we say so on our Roger Maris page) that his overall career numbers are not HOF material. What he did have is a season that still remains in the public conscious which gives him a human element that a career log can't give. Agreed, if he never set the Home Run record, over Ruth, he wouldn't be considered...but he did. It is a similar struggle we have with Paul Henderson in Hockey.Regardless, we always intended to be an interactive site, so i can't see how Maris won't drop in the next list. Yours is not the first comment regarding Maris that we received, and there is certainly a lot of validation in that argument.Also, we might actualy grow our list to 250 next year. This is not to say that we think that all of those players whould be in....we don't....but it is the creation of debates like these that we relish in...and any chance to remember a lot of players (who were damned good but maybe not HOF material) still seems like a lot of fun!!!

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10 years 8 months ago #68 by Casper
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I preemptively removed Bert Blyleven from the above list. I will cut my head open with a screwdriver if he doesn't get in. :o

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10 years 8 months ago #67 by Casper
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Indeed....well, if it's any help, here's at least the Baseball Fever Queue for who should be in the Hall of Fame:1. Ron Santo2. Tim Raines3. Dick Allen4. Bill Dahlen5. Minnie Minoso6. Alan Trammell7. Paul Hines8. Ted Simmons9. Deacon White10. Sherry Magee11. Bobby Grich12. Mark McGwire13. Ross Barnes14. Joe Torre15. Dale Murphy16. Stan Hack17. Harry Stovey18. Lou Whitaker19. Charlie Bennett20. Larry Doyle21. Wes Ferrell22. Carl Mays23. Bob Caruthers24. Darrell Evans25. Joe Start26. Bill Freehan27. Vern Stephens28. Dave Parker29. Tony Mullane30. George Van Haltren31. Will Clark32. Heinie Groh33. Keith Hernandez34. Albert Belle35. Dwight Evans36. Gil Hodges37. Ken Boyer38. George Gore39. Ezra Sutton40. Dickey PearceThat list doesn't include a lot of key recent eligible candidates because it's a couple years out-of-date. Barry Larkin in particular is one of the biggest snubs although he should be getting in for sure in 2012 or 2013, if not 2011. Tim Raines seems to have done well this year also, according to early projections. Agreed with the poster above that pointed out that your list really skipped over the 19th century.For the record, that list I just posted extends to nearly 150 names. And your #10, Roger Maris isn't even one of those 150. The guy has also received virtually zero votes (if not actually zero) in Baseball Fever's HOF and the Hall of Merit over at Baseball Think Factory. The guy doesn't even have much of a case if you're just looking at traditional metrics and counting stats. Honestly, looking at the Hall in Cooperstown, nobody should really have a list greater than 50 of names that are glaring omissions. But this site having missed out on certain players in the above group of 40 that I just listed is pretty unforgivable because, again, there really aren't that many close calls. Players like Guidry, Blue & Colavito shouldn't even enter into the discussion.

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10 years 8 months ago #49 by Committee Chairman
Knuckles..... thank you..... it amazes us that the Baseball list turned out out to be the hardest one of all to do. We didn't think that it would!

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10 years 8 months ago #44 by Knuckles
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Some too high, some too low. No 19t-Century players is glaring. Bad Bill Dahlen is the biggest HOF omission, for me. But not bad, overall. I was thrilled to see Sherry Magee's name on the list.

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10 years 8 months ago #35 by Committee Chairman
Actually, Sabremetrics were taken into account by varying members of our group...though not all. Also, the era in which they played certainly was taken into account especially for those in the dead ball era. With that said, this is intended to be a fluctuating list and will likely change based on votes from others and new candidates. The goal is to make this a list that we create that is modified by our readers.

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