Not in the Hall of Fame 53-Man Roster

9 years 8 months ago #387 by Phillies Archivist
Ziggy Koole:Maxie Baughan, a star Outside Linebacker with the Philadelphia Eagles and Los Angeles Rams was elected to 9 Pro Bowls in 10 years, practically every year in the 1960s (1960-61, 1963-69) plus two or three of those years he was a First Team All-Pro. He was not included on your Not In The Hall Of Fame Team.Now that Dermonti Dawson, Chris Doleman and three others has been electedto Canton and given uptheir spost on the NITHOF team, I think it's time Baughan took one of those vacant roster spots.-Phillies ArchivistP.S.: Mick Tinglehoff, the sole remaining Center on the NITHOF team after Dawson's election was a great player and i wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a Senior Nomineefor Canton in 2013 or shortly afterwards.

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9 years 8 months ago #293 by jimmy26
Damn Lawrence I forgot about Kenny Easley. Anyone who considers Terrell Davis has to put Easley in. He had as good of a career as Lott until he got hurt except for the super bowls. And I think Lott is the best defensive back ever. Bubba Baker has to be considered someday. Great post sack stat career. He had 23 in 79. And I am with you with Francis and Christensen over Smith (vastly overrated) and Bavaro. I must have overlooked that position. but like I said you did a fairly good job Ziggy and if me and Lawrence are only nit picking you then you know it isn't bad.

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9 years 8 months ago #292 by lawrence83
well ziggy not a bad list. first if your gonna have a fullback get a real one , not one given to you by the media get one that can play offense william andrews, gerald riggs, pete johnson,mark van eeghen or mike pruitt. tight end could have gone with russ francis big red zone target in todays game he would have 75 catches a year at least, also danny ross, todd christensen keith jackson. i like joe jacoby at tackle and what about jeff bostic on your centers list. i dont like harris or atwater on your safties list. do you know the name gary barbaro or kenny easley, i know his career was cut short for health reasons, but you still put terrell davis on your team. i dont think the hall of fame will put anymore 5 or 6 year career players in. we could probably make a nice team with those players. jerome brown 5 year career him and reggie white together, well the top would be merlin and deacon, page and eller white and martin or greene and greenwood. i like dave robinson on your team, a guy that played every down and played the pass well. what about your lions doug english and bubba baker, its to bad they didnt get to play 10 or 12 years together (the silver rush right). billy sims what a great start he had. toughrunner.

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9 years 8 months ago #290 by jimmy26
I will give you a DT who in my opinion is way ahead of Lipscomb and even his playing partner who is in. Steve McMichael. And Klecko was basically a tackle most fo his career. And as far as safety several names come to mind way ahead of Harris. Dick Anderson the most obvious but Tatum, Jake Scott, Joey Browner (though I despise him), and even Nolan Cromwell. Watters wasn't the guy I had in mind. OJ Anderson was but I would definitely have Watters in over Davis. And as far as the Kolb thing I would put him in before any of the four you have listed but I know we will never agree on the offensive tackle/defensive end debate.

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9 years 8 months ago #288 by Ziggy Koole
Well... with Terrell Davis he was definately the fourth running back, behind Craig, Bettis, and C-Mart who should all get inducted within the next 5 years at the very latest. I'm guessing the guy you are arguing to replace TD is Ricky Watters. A very good running back for sure, but what TD did in his shortened career absolutely amazes me and at the very least gives him a spot on the list. Kolb was on the just missed the cut list (he was on my original roster but I replaced him with Wistert,) and when you only have four players at a stacked position like offensive tackle, someone is going to get left out. As for Gastineau... well, you know how I feel about him.Wistert played a long time ago obviously, but he was a crucial member to the Eagles dynasty teams of the late 1940s... those teams currently have 4 hall of famers (Vanburen, Bednarik, Pihos, Wojciechowicz) and in my opinion Wistert should make 5. Lipscomb is a bit of a tricky case. See there are 2 factors that need to be taken into consideration, one is that there haven't been as many great defensive tackles over the history of the game as there have been defensive ends and linebackers. Second is that most of the great defensive tackles in NFL history are already in the hall of fame. The entire 1-100 list on this website only has 3 defensive tackles, all of which are on my roster (Karras, Kennedy, Roger Brown.) I'm not really sure if Lipscomb belongs, he wasn't dominant for long enough, but he was better than Jerome Brown or Gary Larsen.Harris was an essential part of the 'Doomsday II' he's borderline in my opinion but the safety pool contains a lot of borderline candidates (Harris, Shell, Atwater, Jim Patton, Deron Cherry, etc.)

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9 years 8 months ago #286 by jimmy26
Good job Ziggy. My friend larry and I did one of these a few months ago and surprisingly we agree on most of your roster. Like I have stated before tackle and defensive end seem to be the hardest to choose as the list to choose from at both positions is so loaded with great players who ahven't got in. There are a few on your roster I have some issues with not including the obvious ones I have stated my opinion on several times. Cliff harris, Terrell Davis, Al Wistert, Gene Liscomb are the main four that stick out. But besides that I agree with your roster. AS a matter fact I even agree with your choices at the aforementioned tough positions excpet for leaving off Kolb and Gastineau. though it isn't realistic I love the fact you threw in 7 receivers. They all deserve it.

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9 years 8 months ago #281 by Ziggy Koole
I think the hall of fame should make its own section for special teamers and its own section for non-players (such as coaches, administrators, etc.) I say 1 player a year maximum from each category. That way they can get in guys like Bill Parcells and Paul Tagliabue, as well as guys like Ray Guy and the Andersons without taking a spot away from a "hard-nosed football player" such as Willie Roaf.

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9 years 8 months ago #280 by Knuckles

Ziggy Koole wrote:I agree with you, all three players have a case for them. In fact, I'll go add them to my "Just missed the cut list," right now.Humphrey I feel belongs, but were already stacked at defensive end (was he really better than Haley, Greenwood, Marshall, Doleman, or even Neil Smith?)As for Robinson, he was actually my fifth best OLB, I was debating between him and Pat Swilling and Swilling won out. i was going to put him in the just missed the cut section, but somehow I forgot.As for Van Note, I could see his case but Dermontti Dawson and Mick Tingelhoff were clearly better IMHO.And if your wondering why I chose Gary Anderson over Morten Andersen it's because Morten isn't elligible until 2013.

Swilling was a monster. When you have a set limit someone is going to be excluded. Humphrey was not better than Haley, Doleman or Greenwood. Marshall's longevity enhances his candidacy. It's close between him and Smith, but it's not a bad call to go with Mr. "Who are the Chefs?".The Andersons will be interesting. They both have cases that are as strong as Jan Stenerud's, if not stroner.

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9 years 8 months ago #278 by Knuckles
Three names I like who missed the cut-Linebacker Dave Robinson, Center Jeff Van Note and Defensive End Claude Humphrey. Humphrey would be in if not for the maximum inductee rule.I am not a Falcons fan, btw.

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9 years 8 months ago #273 by Ziggy Koole
So, I had an interesting idea. I was making a "Not in the pro football hall of fame 53-man roster," and I thought I would like to share it with you other people who are on this site. Basically I constructed a realistic looking team with all the best players from different eras that have been snubbed in the hall of fame. Note: Players who were first eligible in 2012 (such as Will Shields) are included on the team, players first eligible in 2013 or later (such as Michael Strahan,) are not.PS My team plays the 4-3 defense, hence why there are 4 defensive tackles and only 2 inside linebackers.Quarterbacks: Ken Stabler, Ken Anderson, Phil SimmsRunning Backs: Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, Roger Craig, Terrell DavisFullback: Daryl JohnstonWide Receivers: Cris Carter, Andre Reed, Tim Brown, Cliff Branch, Otis Taylor, Drew Pearson, Harold CarmichaelTight Ends: Jerry Smith, Mark BavaroOffensive Tackles: Willie Roaf, Jim Tyrer, Joe Jacoby, Al WistertOffensive Guards: Jerry Kramer, Will Shields, Bob Kuechenberg, Walt SweeneyCenters: Dermontti Dawson, Mick Tingelhoff Defensive Tackles: Alex Karras, Cortez Kennedy, Gene Lipscomb, Roger BrownDefensive Ends: Charles Haley, LC Greenwood, Jim Marshall, Chris Doleman, Neil SmithOutside Linebacker: Chuck Howley, Kevin Greene, Robert Brazile, Pat SwillingInside Linebacker: Randy Gradishar, Tommy NobisCornerback: Lester Hayes, Aeneas Williams, Lemar Parrish, Ken RileySafety: Johnny Robinson, Steve Atwater, Donnie Shell, Cliff HarrisKicker: Gary AndersonPunter: Ray GuyLong Snapper: Who cares?Just missed the cut: Jon Kolb (OT,) Steve Wisniewski (OG,) Mac Speedie (WR,) Drew Bledsoe (QB,) Dave Robinson (OLB,) Claude Humphrey (DE,) Beattie Feathers (RB,) Jeff Van Note (C,) Charlie Conerly (QB,) and Jimmy Patton (S.)Agree? Disagree? Please R&R.

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