Mick Tingelhoff: 2015 HOF Finalist
Jan 25, 2015
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Committee Chairman
Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
Next, I take a look at former Center, Mick Tingelhoff.
Tingelhoff is part of all four Minnesota Vikings teams in the 1970’s that made it to the Super Bowl, though failed to win the big one. Saying that, while he was still regarded as an above average Center in the National Football League, it was in the 1960’s that he was an elite performer.
That decade, Tingelhoff went to six Pro Bowls, five of which saw him named as a First Team All Pro Selection. His overall durability saw him play 240 consecutive games, all of which as a starter, a mark that at the time of his retirement placed him second overall.
Tingelhoff, who is already in the Minnesota Vikings Ring of Honor and has had his number retired by the organization, has long been a player that Vikings fans have been clamoring for to enter the Hall of Fame, and history shows that they will likely get what they want.
Over 65 percent of past Senior Candidates have gotten in, and now with their being only one on the ballot, many, including us think that Tingelhoff will no longer be on the outside looking in, which is how it should have been for years.
Will Shields: 2015 HOF Finalist
Jan 24, 2015
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Committee Chairman
Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
Next, I take a look at former Offensive Guard, Will Shields.
This is Shields fourth consecutive year as a Finalist, which is also his fourth on the ballot. The Right Guard started 223 of his 224 Games Played and of his fourteen seasons, he was a Pro Bowl Selection for twelve of them, not to mention a First Team All Pro Selection twice.
A consistent player, Shields was the steadying force in what was predominantly one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL and was rarely beat, much to the delight of the his Quarterbacks, Elvis Grbac and Trent Green who both had 4,000 Yard Passing seasons.
What has kept Shields out thus far is the high amount of Offensive Linemen who have been eligible at the same time, and this year is no exception with Orlando Pace and Senior Candidate Mick Tingelhoff, the latter of which has a great chance of getting in based on the recent frequency in which Senior Candidates have been getting inducted.
Saying that, I think he will get in (and should) this year, but if he is passed over again, the former Kansas City Chief won’t wait long.
Jimmy Johnson: 2015 HOF Finalist
Jan 23, 2015
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Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
Next, I take a look at former Head Coach, Jimmy Johnson.
The former Dallas Cowboy and Miami Dolphin Head Coach has been eligible for the Pro Football Hall of Fame for over a decade but this is the first time he made this far. The initial question might be why, but it appears that longevity would have to be the answer.
Johnson would only coach for nine seasons and his 80 and 64 record is well below a lot of other Head Coach’s winning percentage is not in line with others in Canton. That is something that probably should not matter, but having a win total well under 100 has to be something that has prevented him getting him this far until now.
Now that being true, he does have three major things going for him, and two of them are Super Bowl Rings. You pay coaches to win the big one, and his record is skewed a lot from that 1 and 15 inaugural season in Dallas, but ask Cowboys fans if they care about that now? They don’t and nor should they based on what he built.
What also works in his favor is that Johnson was the architect of putting together the team (he was the head of all those decisions) and through drafts and the brilliant trade of Herschel Walker that netted him a plethora of draft picks, he built a mini-dynasty that would win another Super Bowl under Barry Switzer that largely was due to the personnel decisions by Johnson.
Perhaps the best comparison is John Madden, who like Johnson had a relatively similar career with ten seasons as the Raiders Head Coach and one Super Bowl win, though his regular season record was much better (100-32-7), though wouldn’t he heave traded some wins for a second Super Bowl? Also, both remained largely in the public eye with their broadcasting career, and make no mistake, that does subconsciously play into the minds of many voters.
For me, the most important thing is the two Super Bowl Bowls, and arguably an assist on the third, which in my mind makes him not only a Pro Football Hall of Fame Finalist, but an inductee as well, and he should have been a Finalist long ago.
If it was up to me he will get in this year, but he won’t. Tony Dungy will likely get that spot instead.
Marvin Harrison: 2015 HOF Debate
Jan 21, 2015
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Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
Next, I take a look at former Wide Receiver, Marvin Harrison.
The biggest shock last year was that Marvin Harrison did not get in last year on his first year of eligibility, as stat wise he was the most accomplished of the Wide Receivers on the ballot. Harrison caught 1,102 passes for 14,580 Yards and 128 Touchdowns, career numbers that fit the resume of a Hall of Fame caliber player, even in this inflated era. He would twice lead the NFL in Receiving Yards, would three times be named a First Team All Pro three times and also was once named the NFL Alumni Wide Receiver of the Year.
Those accolades show that not only did Marvin Harrison have the durability, he had a claim at one point as the top Wide Receiver in the game, a “two for two” in what should make a player a Hall of Fame lock.
So what kept him out last year?
Harrison has had shooting incidents, a couple of which attached to drugs and drug dealers. Now, it needs to be stated that Marvin Harrison was never convicted on any charge, but it is a stigma that has followed him, as has the fact that he was not always the most cooperative with the media.
Still, as stated many times in this site, character should not be a factor (unless there is something far more serious) should not keep a man out of the Hall of Fame, and Harrison has every necessary gridiron credential.
My prediction is that the former Indianapolis Colt gets in this year, and he really should not have to wait another year. It’s already been too long.
Charles Haley: 2015 HOF Finalist
Jan 20, 2015
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Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
Next, I take a look at former Defensive End and Linebacker, Charles Haley.
This is the sixth consecutive year that Charles Haley has been named a Hall of Fame Finalist, and every single time that someone extolls the virtues of Haley for enshrinement they point to the same thing every single time:
Five Super Bowl Rings.
And why shouldn’t they do mention that fact over and over again? There is no player who ever competed in the National Football League who can make that claim, and why else do you play the game if it isn’t to become a champion? Haley wasn’t just a bystander, he was a pivotal figure in these championship teams with both the Dallas Cowboys and San Francisco 49ers and is one of the few players who has over 100 Quarterback Sacks (100.5). That is the most important stat, and one you can’t not mention when looking at Haley’s Hall of Fame credentials.
Haley was also someone who had successful seasons at both Defensive End and at Linebacker, and went to the Pro Bowl and had First Team All Pro Selections at both positions, overall accumulating two First Team nods and five Pro Bowl selections, which again are decent numbers, though we have seen many other defensive players with five Pro Bowls who really have not come close to getting into Canton, though that is not what many think has kept him out so far.
As much as you would hear John Madden wax poetic about his skills on Sundays, you would equally hear about character issues that Haley had. The defensive standout, who would later be diagnosed as bipolar, was absolutely detested by the media and though that should not be a factor for Hall of Fame voting, it is voted on by humans who mostly have interacted with the people they vote on. The human factor plays a part, right or wrong.
It is not that he also did not ruffle teammates the wrong way as he famously had to be restrained from attacking Quarterback, Steve Young following a loss to the Oakland Raiders and this was not an isolated incident.
Still, there have been many past teammates, namely Troy Aikman and his former coach, Jimmy Johnson who have been vocal advocates of Haley getting into the Hall. That kind of support has to help though as much as he has become a finalist over and over, there never seemed to be any year where it felt that he was going to get over that hump.
This year doesn’t feel that much different either and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him fall short again.
Kevin Greene: 2015 HOF Finalist
Jan 18, 2015
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Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
Next, I take a look at former Linebacker, Kevin Greene.
The Quarterback Sack is the sexiest defensive statistic in Football, and though the Interception is a far bigger game changer, the Sack defines the game. Despite the changing of the rules designed to protect the Quarterback, it remains an exciting play and the most coveting thing a Linebacker can get.
Kevin Greene recorded 160 of them.
Although the sack statistic is certainly aided by schemes and surrounding personnel, it is an impressive accomplishment and one that places him third overall behind Bruce Smith and Reggie White, both of whom were inducted into the Hall of Fame. Greene is also a two time leader in that category leading the National Football League in that stat in 1996 and 1998, the latter of which when he was 34 years old.
This bears mentioning, as though he was recording multiple sacks in his 20’s, he was a more complete player in his 30’s and it was this decade of his life where he was also recognized as one of the top defensive players of his time. Greene would be named the NEA Defensive Player of the Year in 1996, and would also be named the NFL Alumni Linebacker of the Year.
Greene would also be named to five Pro Bowls, two First Team All Pro nods and was also named to the 1990’s All Decade team, decent numbers and though many other Defensive players have been named to more Pro Bowls and All Pro squads, he wasn’t that far off from consideration in his early years.
Entering his fourth consecutive year as a Finalist, Kevin Greene again is not the highest profile Linebacker left and could easily be pushed aside for Junior Seau, and frankly if it comes down to picking only one Linebacker, it should be Seau, though Greene remains the top pass rusher on the ballot, a fact aided by Michael Strahan’s induction last year.
That is another factor that works against him, as he doesn’t have the same star quotient those other defensive players who got in recently, namely Strahan and Warren Sapp who got in the year before.
That shouldn’t matter, but though he did become a more balanced player later in his career, he is measuring up against others that were.
Kevin Greene should eventually get into the Hall of Fame, and probably should. Personally, the more I look at his career, the more I am swaying towards inducting him, as originally, I felt he was a bit too one dimensional. I will revert back to the word “eventually” because I don’t think he is getting in this year, but he won’t have to wait much longer.
Tim Brown: 2015 HOF Finalist
Jan 17, 2015
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Committee Chairman
Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
Next, I take a look at former Wide Receiver/Returner, Tim Brown.
Tim Brown first became eligible for the Football Hall of Fame in 2010, and was named a Finalist that year, and has been every year since. Brown has some substantial Hall of Fame credentials but has been caught in a logjam of more deserving Wide Receivers namely Cris Carter and Andre Reed who had a bit of a wait themselves.
Again, Brown is not the highest regarded Wide Receiver who made the Finals as Marvin Harrison, who personally I was shocked when he was not a first ballot inductee last year, did not get in. Last year, when the Hall of Fame reduced from fifteen to ten names, Harrison made the final ten, and Brown did not, indicating that he is still not on the top of the wideout pecking order.
This is not to say that he is not a Hall of Famer caliber player, because he does have a lot on his resume. What he lacks in First Team All Pro Selections (he has none) and Super Bowl Rings, he makes up for in Pro Bowl selections (nine) and Special Teams credentials.
Brown’s first Pro Bowl was as a Special Team selection and in that rookie campaign he would lead the NFL in Kick Return Yards. He would later lead the NFL in Punt Return Yards in 1994 and overall would contribute a total of 4,555 Return Yards and 4 Touchdowns; a mark that no other Wide Receiver can state.
Does that matter?
It should, but as we know, the Pro Football Hall of Fame never has put a lot of premium on Special Teams players, so why should we expect that they will care about a Special Team “add on” to a Wide Receiver career?
Perhaps that is the problem, as Tim Brown’s Wide Receiving was decent, he was never ever considered among the top two in his position, and if he ever was at any given time, he could at least cling to that.
That does matter, as being considered an elite performer at an offensive skill position he would probably be indicted already. Just one season, in addition to his career statistical accomplishments would have made him impossible to overlook by this point.
Even with the inflated statistics that exist within Wide Receivers at this time, Tim Brown is still in the top five in Receptions and Receiving Yards and while he was able to successfully to climb the all time stat ladder, he still did so in an era where he had a lot of competition.
With his additional dimensions on Special Teams and his accumulated totals on Offense, he would receive my vote, and has waited long enough.
Saying that, I don’t think he will get the call this year either.
Don Coryell: 2015 HOF Finalist
Jan 17, 2015
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Committee Chairman
Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
Next, I take a look at former Head Coach, Don Coryell.
This is actually the easiest debate as the Hall of Fame case for Don Coryell always comes down to the same question: Innovation Vs Success.
Seriously, it is that simple.
Coryell was dubbed “Air Coryell” for a putting a higher premium on the passing game, and creating a unique rhythm forcing defenses to cover all parts of the field. Tight Ends, Running Backs would go in motion, Receivers had no set start point, and the ball would be going to the target before the receiver would get there. Coryell made deep routes a major part of his offense and altered the way Tight Ends were played, making them a bigger part of offensive targets. All of this is commonplace today but this was not happening before Coryell literally changed the way the game was played.
He would begin this revolution with the St. Louis Cardinals where he would win two consecutive division titles, but it was in San Diego where he had the Quarterback he wanted (Dan Fouts) that he was really able to bring his vision to light. His Chargers would win the division three times and would lead the National Football League in passing six consecutive seasons, which remains a record today.
That’s the positive side of the Hall of Fame ledger, which has been enough to keep him on the ballot for a few years now; here is the negative.
Coryell did take his teams to the playoffs often but only has a 3 and 6 record and does not have any Super Bowl rings, generally a prerequisite for a Hall of Fame induction. His regular season record is 111-83-1, which is decent, but is not spectacular.
However, the biggest and fairest criticism of Don Coryell was his lack of attention to defense, and even past Defensive Coordinators would state that he had limited interest in that side of the ball. That did show in the teams he coached, as they were routinely on the bottom half of points and yards allowed.
So there you have it. The ultimate case of innovation Vs Accomplishment.
Personally, I am all about innovation, though my glasses are tainted somewhat by looking at other Halls of Fame and how they induct players/musicians and when you are a game changer, I believe you should get in.
Will he this year?
Probably not.
Morten Andersen: 2015 HOF Finalist
Jan 15, 2015
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Committee Chairman
Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
Next, I take a look at former Place Kicker, Morten Andersen.
I have to admit I was surprised that Morten Andersen was a Hall of Fame Finalist last year. It isn’t that there are not some serious Canton worthy credentials, he does, but since it’s inception the frequency in which they have elected Special Teams players has not exactly been regular.
Punter, Ray Guy had a long wait to get into the Hall, and had to wait until he was a Senior Nominee before he finally got the Hall; this despite being regarded by every football pundit as the greatest Punter in the history of the game. It has been a little easier for Place Kickers…but not much.
There are players in the Pro Football Hall of Fame who have a significant amount of PATs and Field Goals made but these were players (George Blanda for example) that had a significant amount of playing time at other positions. The only full time Kicker in Canton is Norwegian born, Jan Stenerud, so would not seem somewhat fitting that a fellow Scandinavian (Andersen was born in Denmark) join him?
Andersen is currently the all-time leading scorer in NFL history and is 398 Points ahead of the 42 year old Adam Vinatieri, and if he can’t catch him, he will hold that record for a considerable amount of time. Normally, the leading scorer in any sport would be a lock for a Hall of Fame, but American Football doesn’t work that way, so that by no means makes him a lock.
The “Great Dane” also is the all-time leader in Games Played, and consecutive Games Played and Field Goals Made and is also the all-time leader for both the New Orleans Saints and the Atlanta Falcons. In addition, Andersen went to seven Pro Bowls and made three First Team All Pro squads.
Adam Vinatieri had that signature moment when he kicked a forty-five yard Field Goal in the snow to tie a 2002 playoff game against the Oakland Raiders (the infamous “Tuck Rule” Game) and a much shorter one to win the game. Vinatieri would also kick the game winning in that year’s Super Bowl, and instantly he became the most famous Place Kicker in the NFL and actually received endorsements, unheard for a Kicker.
Andersen himself had a signature playoff moment while playing for the Atlanta Falcons when his 38 Yard overtime Field Goal in 1999 took Atlanta to the Super Bowl, though unlike Vinatieri, his team was not able to capitalize on the big one.
Should the fact that Morten Andersen never won a Super Bowl keep him out of the Hall of Fame? Not at all, Andersen did what was required of him in clutch situations, which is all you can ask of your clutch kicker, but it does make Vinatieri a sexier candidate, and if Andersen is still lingering on the ballot, he could be overlapped.
Saying that I don’t think that Andersen will still be there, but I don’t think that he is getting in this year, though I do predict he will eventually be the second pure Place Kicker in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Orlando Pace: 2015 HOF Finalist
Jan 13, 2015
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Committee Chairman
Having a lot of fun doing our Baseball debates with two of my bloggers, DDT and the Phillies Archivist, I wanted to repeat the same idea with this year’s Football Finalists, but due to time constraints I will take a deeper look at each candidate myself and offer a few thoughts as to their Hall of Fame candidacy
First up, I take a look at former Offensive Tackle, Orlando Pace.
You had to know that the St. Louis Rams “Greatest Show on Turf” team was going to have multiple names make this year’s finalists. Along with Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt, Pace was one of four members of the Super Bowl XXXIV Championship team that became eligible all in the same year. Personally, I thought that either Bruce or Holt would join Warner and Pace, but perhaps those deciding the fate of the Finalists thought that two Rams were sufficient or maybe Bruce and Holt cancelled each other out.
That aside, when you talk about those great Rams teams, the names of Warner, Marshall Faulk, Bruce and Holt received the press, as you would expect; skill positions always do, but would St. Louis have been as good without Orlando Pace helming the Offensive Line?
Protecting Warner and opening up gaping holes for Faulk, Pace gave the Rams exactly what they hoped for when they selected him first overall from Ohio State in 1997. In the twelve years that he played for the Rams, they had more gross yards than any other team in the National Football League and he blocked for three consecutive MVPs (Warner twice and Faulk once).
Legacy wise, Orlando Pace is regarded as one of the three Left Tackles of his era who were considered among the elite; the others being Walter Jones and Jonathan Ogden, both of whom just entered the Hall of Fame, leading to a lot of reason to think that Pace should be able to follow them both into Canton.
Trophy wise, Pace has what you want for a Hall of Fame candidate. His resume brings three First Team All Pro Selections, seven Pro Bowls, a selection to the NFL All Decade Team (2000’s), the 2008 Ed Block Courage Award and of course that Super Bowl Ring.
So what works against him?
Well much like Harrison and Holt may have had a cancelling of each other out, it is possible that the same could happen for Pace and Warner, or that the committee may wish to only one put St. Louis Ram in. There is no urgency to induct either one of them, and with all due respect to Warner and Pace, there will not be that large of an uproar if either of them do not get in on the first ballot.
What also may play against him is Will Shields, who although played on a different position on the Offensive Line (Right Guard), but nevertheless there is an O-Lineman, and with limited spots available, Shields, who has been a Finalist already for the past three years might get the nod. Also, Senior Candidate, Mick Tingelhoff, is a Center, and Senior Candidates have had a better than 60 percent chance once they make this round.
So would I cast a vote for Orlando Pace? Yes, and I do think there is a very good chance that he will get in on his first try, but if he fails I don’t see him waiting a very long time. I will go on record that I would prefer for him to be first Ram Super Bowl winner over Warner and for the sake of what might be a perceived St. Louis log jam (never underestimate how voters think about things like that), I sincerely hope one of them does, to ease a path for Holt or Bruce, both of which who are deserving of at least an extended look as a Finalist.
Saying that, I have a sneaky feeling that Warner will get the spot over Pace, and Shields might slide ahead. My official prediction is that the very deserving and Hall worthy Orlando Pace will enter Canton…but on the second try.