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Edgar Martinez endorses David Ortiz for the Baseball Hall

We have watched year after year the plight of Edgar Martinez, the former Seattle Mariners Designated Hitter who has not gotten enough support for the Baseball Hall of Fame. 

When asked about by the Boston Herald fellow DH, and Boston Red Sox superstar, David Ortiz, Martinez is emphatic about what he thinks of Ortiz in the Hall:

“No doubt.  Ortiz definitely is a Hall of Famer.”

Martinez may have had an emphatic opinion on it, but will that matter?  Many as the greatest DH of all time regard him, but that same designation is what many believe has kept him out.  To date, he has only received as high as 36.5 percent of the vote (which was in his first year on the ballot), and with the reduction to ten years of eligibility from fifteen, the window is closing sooner.

Martinez finished his career with 2,247 Hits, 309 Home Runs, a .312/.418/.515 Slash Line and a bWAR of 68.3.  At present, Ortiz is at 2,263 Hits, 491 Home Runs, .284/.378/.545 and a bWAR of 48.9, though even at the advanced age of 39, he still has some time left to pad those stats; though it can’t be ignored that he has three World Series rings, including an ALCS MVP and a World Series MVP.

This is not to say that is impossible for Ortiz or even Martinez for that matter to get in.  Paul Molitor, who played close to 45 percent of his games at Designated Hitter got in and Frank Thomas played 56.4 percent at DH.  Martinez was the DH 68.2 percent of his games and Ortiz is at 83.4, a number that is likely to climb.

As always, we here at Notinhalloffame.com are very curious to see how perception changes with the Baseball Hall of Fame.



David Ortiz to retire after the 2016 season

Honestly, I am a sucker for a good farewell tour.

The now 40 year old Boston Red Sox, Designated Hitter, David Ortiz has announced that next year will be his final season in Major League Baseball and that has led to one inevitable discussion:

Is David Ortiz a Hall of Famer?

If it seems like we just asked that question, it is because we dd.  Ortiz made a bit of noise when he stated a few months ago that he was a Hall of Famer and maybe he is. 

Let’s break down the pros and the cons each voter will face in six years:

The Pros:

The Power Numbers:

He has already eclipsed the magical 500 HR barrier and will probably add 30 more.  He is 26th all-time in Slugging, 43rd in OPS and 18th in Doubles, all numbers that are very hard to ignore.  Offensively, he has been a beast for twelve years!

The Titles:

Under Ortiz’ tenure in Boston, the curse of the bambino was lifted, and he was a key player with an ALCS and World Series MVP.  To date he has 82 playoff games under his belt with 17 Home Runs and a .295/.409/.553 Slash Line.  Do playoff stats matter?  You are damn right they do!

The Man:

David Ortiz is a likable guy, media friendly and you don’t have to be a fan of the Red Sox to understand his impact and remember what he has done in Baseball.  All of that matters!

The Cons:

Ortis is a Designated Hitter and nobody who has played the percentage of games that he has in that role has come close to the Hall of Fame.  Edgar Martinez won’t get in, and Frank Thomas and Paul Molitor all played less than half at DH.  Ortiz is well over 75%.

PED in 2003:

Ortiz was named one of the 104 men who took PEDs in that year, though he stated that he was just taking what everyone else was taking at the time.  It should be noted that he has taken such a hardline stance against anyone who is caught stating that they should be banned for a year, and seems so genuine about it that it may have wiped out a lot of the potential damage.

WAR:

If voters are basing it at bWAR (and let’s face it, a lot of people are using that as the key metric now), it will be difficult.  His 50.6 is very good, but not what people are looking for Cooperstown.  If you go by his JAWS, it is 41.8 (placing him with First Basemen (and only 33rd overall for that position) and puts him out of the mark for the average HOFer at that position, which is 54.2.  Should that matter?  Believe me, it will to some of the decision makers!



What it appears is that for every argument there is a counter-argument.  The voting for Ortiz will be one of the most hotly debated when he is eligible and no matter what happens to him in regards to the Baseball Hall of Fame, the game is better off for having him in it.

Our 2022 Baseball Hall of Fame Futures are now up

It never stops for us at Notinhalloffame.com and nor do we ever intend for it to.

Early in the new year, the Baseball Hall of Fame will be announcing the Class of 2019 but before that we have updated our Baseball Futures and here are the potential additions to the that ballot in 2022.

In alphabetical order by their first name:

A.J. Pierzynski:  The Catcher was certainly famous (or infamous in some cases) is a two time All Star, one time Silver Slugger but importantly was the pulse that helped the Chicago White Sox win the 2005 World Series.

Alex Rodriguez:  Love him or hate him, PED or not, A-Rod was one of the greatest players of all time. A three time MVP and fourteen time All Star, Rodriguez retired with 696 Home Runs, 3,115 Hits, 2,086 Runs Batted In and a bWAR of 117.8, which are all first ballot Hall of Fame numbers however he WAS caught with PEDs and suspended.  He does however have a job broadcasting so his forgiveness trail seems much quicker than some.  

Angel Pagan:  Pagan was a two time World Series Champion with the San Francisco Giants and he would lead the National League in Triples in 2012.  Pagan is also a two time Silver Medalist at the World Baseball Classis representing Puerto Rico.

Billy Butler:  Mostly used as a Designated Hitter, Butler would go the All Star Game in 2012, which would be the same season he was named the winner of the Edgar Martinez Award.

Carl Crawford:  Crawford was at his best when he was with the Tampa Bay Rays and it was there where he would become a four time All Star who woud also lead the American League four times in Triples and in Stolen Bases.  He would collect 1,931 Hits over his career.

Coco Crisp:  Crisp would help the Boston Red Sox win the World Series in 2007 and he would also lead the AL in Stolen Bases in 2011.  He would have 1,572 Hits over his Major League Baseball career.

Colby Lewis:  Lewis would have a decent career as a starter where he would win 77 Games.

David Ortiz:  “Big Papi” is a legend in Boston and how can he not be?  Ortiz powered the Red Sox to three World Series Championships and he was a ten time All Star.  Ortiz is in the opinion of many the greatest Designated Hitter that ever lived and he has 541 career Home Runs with an OPS of .931.  He should receive a very healthy first year ballot percentage.

Jake Peavy:  Peavy was the National League Cy Young Award winner in 2007 and was a three time All Star. He would win 152 Games, 92 of which were with the San Diego Padres.

Javier Lopez:  Lopez only won 30 Games with 14 Saves over his long career as a Relief Pitcher but he is a four time World Series Titles, one with Boston and three with the San Francisco Giants.

Jeff Francouer:  Francouer would win a Gold Glove in 2007 and would have 1,373 Hits over his career.

Jimmy Rollins:  A three time All Star at Shortstop, Jimmy Rollins would win the National League MVP in 2007 and lead the Philadelphia Phillies to the World Series the nest year. He retired with 2,455 Hits and 231 Home Runs.

Joe Nathan:  Nathan was a six time All Star closer who won the Rolaids Relief Award in 2009.  He finished his career with 377 Saves.

Jonathan Papelbon:  Papelbon was named to the All Star Game six times and he was huge part of the Boston Red Sox 2007 World Series win.  He retired with 368 Saves.

Juan Uribe: Uribe was a two time Wilson Defensive Player and the infielder would accumulate over 1,500 Major League Hits.

Justin Morneau:  The 2006 American League MVP with the Minnesota Twins was a four time All Star. Late in his career he would have a resurgence where he won the Batting Title (2014) with the Colorado Rockies.

Kyle Lohse:  Lohse would win 147 Major League Games and he helped the St. Louis Cardinals win the 2011 World Series.

Mark Teixeira:  A five time All Star, Mark Teixeira would blast 4009 Home Runs with 1,862 Hits over a career that is best known with the Texas Rangers and New York Yankees.  A member of the Yankees 2009 World Series Team, the First Baseman is also a three time Silver Slugger and five time Gold Glove winner.

Marlon Byrd:  An All Star in 2011, Marlon Byrd would have over 1,500 Hits over his career.

Matt Thornton:  A Relief Pitcher throughout his career, Matt Thornton was an All Star in 2010 and a World Series winner the next season with St. Louis.

Michael Bourn:  A two time All Star, Michael Bourn would lead the National League in Stolen Bases three times and was also a two time Gold Glove winner.  Bourn also would finish first in Total Zone Runs twice.

Omar Infante:  Infante was an All Star in 2010 and collected 1,427 Hits over his career.

Prince Fielder:  Fielder was a powerhouse like his father and the six time All Star was the Home Run leader in the National League in 2007.  A three time Silver Slugger belted 319 Home Runs over his career.

Ryan Howard:  The 2006 National League MVP played his entire career with the Philadelphia Phillies and he would later propel them to the 2008 World Series.  Howard blasted 382 Home Runs over his career and was a two time league leader in that statistic.

Ryan Vogelsong:  Vogelsong was a two time World Series Champion with the San Francisco Giants who was also an All Star 2010.  He would win 61 Games over his career.

Scott Kazmir:  Kazmir was a three time All Star who won 108 Games over his career.  As a Tampa Bay Devil Ray, he would lead the American League in Strikeouts in the 2007 season.

Tim Lincecum:  Lincecum was a two time National League Cy Young Award winner who was also a four time All Star.  “The Freak” would win 110 Games in the Majors.

You know what we want you to do!

Take a look at the full list of 2022 Future Baseball Hall of Fame Eligibleplayers and cast your vote and offer your opinions.

As always, we here at Notinhalloffame.com thank you for your support!

Awards = HOF? Part Twelve: The Silver Slugger (Designated Hitter) (MLB)

We here at Notinhalloffame.com thought it would be fun to take a look at the major awards in North American team sports and see how it translates into Hall of Fame potential.

Needless to say, different awards in different sports yield hall of fame potential.  In basketball, the team sport with the least amount of players on a roster, the dividend for greatness much higher.  In baseball, it is not as much as a great individual season does not have the same impact.

Awards = HOF? Part Eighteen: The Edgar Martinez Award

We here at Notinhalloffame.com thought it would be fun to take a look at the major awards in North American team sports and see how it translates into Hall of Fame potential.

Needless to say, different awards in different sports yield hall of fame potential.  In basketball, the team sport with the least amount of players on a roster, the dividend for greatness much higher.  In baseball, it is not as much as a great individual season does not have the same impact.
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