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The Hockey TBD Futures have been Updated

The Hockey Hall of Fame works a little faster than other North American sports hall doesn’t it?

With only a three year waiting period after retirement from the game (playing in Europe still counts as being active), we have decided some time ago that active players over the age of thirty-five would be profiled and made available for your vote.

Rather than only mention the new entries, we are listing all of the “TBD” players who are currently in that section.

The players listed are as follows:

Alex Tanguay, a member of the 2001 Stanley Cup Champion Colorado Avalanche and an All Star in 2004.

Andrei Markov, a two time All Star and member of the 2011 Boston Bruins Stanley Cup Champions.

Brad Richards, a key member of the 2004 Tampa Bay Lightning Stanley Cup winners and past winner of the Conn Smythe and Lady Byng Trophies.

Brian Campbell, a member of Chicago’s 2010 Stanley Cup Champs and was once a Second Team All Star and Lady Byng winner.

Dan Boyle, a two time All Star Defenceman and member of the 2004 Tampa Bay Lightning Stanley Cup Champions.

Eric Brewer, a traditional Defenceman who won Olympic and World Cup Gold with Canada.

Jarome Iginla, a former Art Ross Trophy Winner, two time Goal Scoring Champion, two time Olympic Gold Medalist and three time First Team All Star.

Jaromir Jagr, a scoring machine who has won two Stanley Cups, an Olympic Gold Medal, a Hart Trophy, and has appeared in nine All Star Games.

Joe Thornton, a former Hart Trophy winner and multi-time All Star with both the Boston Bruins and San Jose Sharks.

Lubomir Visnovsky, an All Star in 2007 and four time representative for Slovakia in the Olympics.

Marian Hossa, a three time Stanley Cup Champion with the Chicago Blackhawks and one time Second Team All Star.

Mark Streit, a four time Olympian with Switzerland and one time NHL All Star.

Mike Ribeiro, a one time All Star known for his shooting accuracy.

Niklas Backstrom, a Finnish Goalie who has played his NHL career thus far with Minnesota Wild.

Olli Jokinen, a multi time Finnish Olympian who was an All Star in 2003.

Patrik Elias, a ling time player for the New Jersey Devils with two Stanley Cup Rings and three All Star nods. 

Patrick Marleau, a longtime San Jose Shark with two Olympic Gold Medals and three NHL All Star Games.

Pavel Datsyuk, a Russian who won two Stanley Cup Rings (Detroit), the Lady Byng four times and the Frank J. Selke Award three times.

Roberto Luongo, a two time Gold Medalist with Canada and three time NHL All Star.

Scott Gomez, the Alaska born forward who won two Stanley Cups with New Jersey and was the Calder Trophy Winner in 2000.

Sergei Gonchar, a smooth Russian who is a four time Al Star.

Shane Doan, who spent most of his career with the Coyotes and is a two time NHL All Star.

Shawn Horcoff, who was a one time NHL All Star. 

Simon Gagne, who is a former Olympic Gold Medalist and Stanley Cup Champion.

Stephane Robidas, a one time All Star Defenceman.

Vincent LeCavalier, a four time All Star, Stanley Cup Champion with Tampa Bay and a former Rocket Richard Award winner.

Zdeno Chara, a former Norris Trophy winner, six time post season All Star and Stanley Cup Champion with the Boston Bruins

I think you know what we are looking for you to do!

When your time permits, take a look at this group and let us know if their Hall of Fame inductions are justified!

Jarome Iginla Retires

We have a major retirement to talk about in Hockey as Jarome Iginla has announced that he is retiring from the game after a very successful 20 year career.

After a very successful career in Junior Hockey where he was a two time Memorial Cup Champion with the Kamloops Blazers he joined the Calgary Flames where he was the 11th Draft Pick in 1995. Iginla made an instant impact for the Flames where he was the runner-up for the Calder Trophy and a few years later his offense exploded to where he was considered an elite player in the NHL.

In the 2001-02 season Iginla was the NHL’s leading scorer, while also leading the league in Goals. He would be name a First Team All Star and while he was the runner-up for the Hart Trophy, he did win the Lester B. Pearson Award, which is the MVP as awarded by the players of the National Hockey League. Two years later, Iginila would become the Flames Captain, which historically speaking made him the first black Captain in the NHL history. That season, Iginla took Calgary to the Stanley Cup Finals, though they would go down to defeat to the Tampa Bay Lightning.

Iginla would never see the Stanley Cup Finals again but he was still an elite player. In addition to the 2001-02 season where he was first a First Team All Star, he would receive that accolade two more times (2007-08 & 2008-09). He was also a Second Team All Star in the 2003-04 Season. Iginla would later play for Pittsburgh, Boston, Colorado and Los Angeles.

While he never won a Stanley Cup, Iginla was a major force on the International scene where he was a two time Olympic Gold Medalist twice (2002 & 2010) and the World Cup (2004).

Iginla retires with an even 1,300 Points and is the leading score all-time in Flames history.

In our eyes and many others, Iginla is likely to enter the Hockey Hall of Fame on the first ballot and he is likely to be ranked number one on our list.

We here at would like to wish Jarome Iginla the best in his post-playing career.

Our Notinhalloffame Hockey List has been revised. Jarome Iginla debuts at #1

The Hockey Hall of Fame recently had their most bizarre Hockey Hall of Fame Class as for the first time in any of our lists we had NOBODT from our top 25 were chosen for their respective Hall of Fame.  

Now before we unveil our new list, a couple of caveats about the impending Class of 2019 and our list in general:

At present, we don’t rank female players.  This is not because we do not respect the women that have been inducted but at this time there has not been a lot of call for us to do so and we have decided at this time not to merge eligible female players with our core list.  Had we done so, Hayley Wickenheiser, who was chosen this year would have likely been ranked #1 by us.

We also don’t rank builders as of yet.  We do have an exception with Don Cherry, but are looking to create a builders list and migrate him to that one.

As such, only two former players were removed from our list, Guy Carbonneau (#29) and Sergei Zubov (#44) and they are slated to join Wickenheiser as the Class of 2019.

Three new names enter our list, which is now at 131.  There will be a future expansion to 150, which will occur later this year.

Let’s look at our new top ten, and based on our new #1 we feel confident that there will not be a repeat of not having a top ten (let alone a top twenty-five) not make the Hockey Hall of Fame Class of 2020.

Our new Hockey Top Ten is:

#1. Jarome Iginla:  Iginla is entering his first year of eligibility and point blank he is the reason why we feel confident that there will be a top ten entry entering the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2020 as he should enter on his first ballot.  The six-time All-Star was named to the First Team All-Star post season squad three times and he is also a two-time Olympic Gold Medalist with Team Canada.

#2. Alexander Mogilny:  Mogilny drops one spot, as he was our top rank last year.  One of the last creations of the Red Army, Alexander Mogilny was the first Soviet player to defect to play in the NHL and he would have a legendary 76 Goal season for the Buffalo Sabres in 1992/93.  Eligible since 2009, Mogilny is a two-time Second Team All-Star.

#3. Theoren Fleury:  Fleury holds firm at #3.  The scrappy native of Saskatchewan went to seven All-Star Games and was a Second Team All-Star in 1994/95.  He is a Stanley Cup winner with the Calgary Flames (1989) and an Olympic Gold Medalist with Team Canada (2002).

#4. Don Cherry:  Cherry drops to his lowest ranking as we take your votes into consideration, and not all of them are kind to Canada’s favorite (or best known) blowhard.  As mentioned earlier, we are likely to take him out completely in favor of a contributors list.

#5. Daniel Alfredsson:  Alfredsson may have received the most concern regarding his snub this year on social media but that hasn’t translated to votes for him on our site.  As such, he has dropped one spot from #4 to #5, but the six-time All-Star and Olympic Gold Medalist (Sweden in 2006) may have a better shot than those ahead of him, with the exception of Iginla.

#6. Pierre Turgeon:  Turgeon climbs up from #7 and remains the highest scoring player (1,327 Points) who is not in the Hockey Hall of Fame.  Turgeon is a former four-time All-Star.

#7. Bernie Nicholls:  Nicholls drops from #5.  He is one of seven players to have a 70 Goal Season and one of five to have a 150 Point Season.  He was chosen for three All-Star Games.

#8. Jeremy Roenick:  Roenick fell two spots to #8.  At present, he is our highest rated American and he is a nine-time All-Star. 

#9. John LeClair:  For a time, LeClair was the best power forward in the NHL and was a five-time post-season NHL All-Star.  That was a great stretch, but he was not close to that level over the rest of his career.

#10. Marian Hossa:  The second of our third new entries, Marian Hossa was a three-time Stanley Cup Champion with the Chicago Blackhawks and a five-time NHL All-Star.  He is also a four-time Olympian with Slovakia.

The third new entry on this list is career Arizona Coyote, Shane Doan who debuts at #56.

The entire list can be found here.

As always, we here at encourage you to cast your vote, give us your opinion and we thank you for your support!


Jarome Iginla headlines the Hockey 2020 Class

One of our favorite days our here!

The Hockey Hall of Fame has announced the Class of 2020, which while it usually takes place in June of 2020, the Stanley Cup is always awarded by now!  Regardless, the National Hockey League is coming back, and here are the new Hall of Famers who will watch the 2019-20 season play out.

The Hockey Hall of Fame Class of 2020 comprises six members and is headlined by Jarome Iginla, the one former player that everyone knew would be selected.  Iginla is joined by Marian Hossa, Kevin Lowe, Doug Wilson, Kim St- Pierre and Ken Holland who enters as a builder.

Iginla was a 20-year veteran of the NHL, playing the majority of his career with the Calgary Flames.  With Calgary, the native of Edmonton, Alberta, was a three-time First Team All-Star, a two-time Rocket Richard winner, and in 2001-02, he won the coveted Art Ross Trophy and the Lester B Pearson Award. Notably, no player who ever won the Art Ross has not been in enshrined in the Hockey Hall, and this trend continues today.  Professionally, Iginla also played for Pittsburgh, Boston, Colorado and Los Angeles and upon retirement he amassed an even 1,300 Points in 1,554 Games.  On the International scene, the power forward won two Gold Medals at the Olympics (2002 & 2010) and the World Cup of Hockey (2004) for Canada. He was ranked #1 on our last list of those to consider for the Hockey Hall.  

Like Iginla, Hossa also enters the Hall in his first year of eligibility.  From Slovakia, Hossa came up through the Ottawa Senators organization, where he helped the Sens reach their first and only Stanley Cup Final in 2003. After a 100 Point year with the Atlanta Thrashers, and a one-year run each with Pittsburgh and Detroit, Hossa joined the Chicago Blackhawks in 2009 where he played until 2017 when a skin disorder forced him out of the game.  With the Blackhawks, Hossa was a huge cog in the machine that won three Stanley Cups (2010, 2013 & 2015).  Hossa’s NHL career would see him accrue 1,134 Points.  Representing Slovakia, Hossa competed for his country in three Olympics (2002, 2006 & 2010) and the World Cup of Hockey in 2004.  Hossa was ranked #10 on our last list.

Kevin Lowe.  Lowe was considered the best player from the Edmonton Oilers dynasty of five Stanley Cups (1984-90) that was yet to be in the Hall, and this ended today.  The Defenseman won five Cups with the Oilers and a sixth with the New York Rangers in 1994, and he was also the winner of the 1990 King Clancy Memorial Award.  Lowe has been eligible for the Hall since 2001, and he was ranked #37 on our latest list.

Doug Wilson.  Wilson’s induction takes off one of the few Norris Trophy winners off the yet-to-be enshrined list for the Hockey Hall. Playing most of his career with the Chicago Blackhawks, Wilson was an NHL All-Star seven times.  The Defenseman had 827 Points over 1,024 Games, and he was also a member of the 1984 Canada Cup winning team.  Was ranked #14 on our 2020 list.

Kim St-Pierre.  While Mike Richter, Curtis Joseph, Tom Barrasso and Mike Vernon did not get the call, one Goalie did in Kim St-Pierre.  The Canadian was a member of three Olympic Gold Medals and five World Championships for the Canadian Women’s Team.

Ken Holland is this year’s lone builder.  Holland was a decent hockey player in his own right, making it to the NFL for four games as a Goalie for Hartford and Detroit.  His biggest accomplishments was as the General Manger of the Red Wings, where he built teams that won the Stanley Cup three times.

Significant snubs in our eyes are Alexander Mogilny (#2), Theoren Fleury (#3), Daniel Alfredsson (#5), Pierre Turgeon (#6), Bernie Nicholls (#7), Jeremy Roenick (#8) and John LeClair (#9).

We will be revamping our hockey list shortly, that will reflect the deletion of the new entries, and the addition of those eligible in 2021. Rankings will also be altered based on your votes and comments.

We here at would like to congratulate to newest members of the Hockey Hall of Fame,

Awards = HOF?: Part Fifty-Four: The Mark Messier Leadership Award

We here at thought it would be fun to take a look at the major awards in North American team sports and see how it translates into Hall of Fame potential.

Needless to say, different awards in different sports yield hall of fame potential.  In basketball, the team sport with the least number of players on a roster, the dividend for greatness much higher.  In baseball, it is not as much as a great individual season does not have the same impact.

Last time, we looked at the Lester B. Peasrson, awarded annually to the top MVP as voted on by the players of the National Hockey League.  We stay on the ice with the newest award, the Mark Messier Leadership Award, which was first awarded in 2007-08.  Named after Hall of Famer, Mark Messier, it is designed to honor an individual who leads by positive example through on-ice performance, motivation of team members and a dedication to community activities and charitable causes.

So how many Mark Messier Leadership winners have made the Pro Hockey Hall of Fame?

Let’s find out!

The following are the past players who have won the Mark Messier Leadership Award who are eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame and have been enshrined.

Chris Chelios, Detroit Red Wings, Defense: 11 G, 11 A, 22 P, 3.3 PS  2007

At age 45, Chelios had literally been a leader for decades, and despite his age, he was in the NHL for three more seasons. The American Defenseman had won three Norris Trophies, was a five-time First Team All-Star, and won three Stanley Cups; one with Montreal and two with Detroit.  It is hard to debate that this award did not get off to a perfect start.

Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2013.

Mats Sundin, Toronto Maple Leafs, Center: 32 G, 46 A, 78 P, 9.8 PS  2008

This was Sundin’s penultimate year in the NHL, and his last with the Toronto Maple Leafs.  A Maple Leaf since 1994, Sundin was a leader on the ice since day one, and was Toronto’s best player for over a decade.  He had previously been a Second Team All-Star twice.

Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2012.

Jarome Iginla, Calgary Flames, Right Wing 35 G, 54 A, 89 P, 9.5 PS  2009

Iginla was not just Calgary’s leader, but had been the Flames best player for years.  This was his third First Team All-Star season, and seven years before he was the winner of both the Art Ross and Lester B. Pearson Award.  Iginla would later play for Pittsburgh, Boston, Colorado and Los Angeles.

Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2020.


The following are the players who have won the Mark Messier Leadership Award who are eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame and have not been selected:

Shane Doan, Phoenix Coyotes, Right Wing: 22 G, 28 A, 50 P, 5.0 PS 2012   

Since the franchise relocated from Winnipeg to Phoenix, Shane Doan was the best and most important player for the franchise when they were in Arizona.  Doan led the Coyotes to a Conference Final this year, and he was with Phoenix for his entire 21-year career.

Eligible since 2020.  Ranked #56 on

Daniel Alfredsson, Ottawa Senators, Right Wing: 10 G, 16 A, 26 P, 2.7 PS 2013   

Alfredsson was in his 17thand final year as an Ottawa Senator, and while he couldn’t lead them to a Stanley Cup, he was the leader on many good Senator teams.  He played one more year in Detroit, and scored 1157 career Points.

Eligible since 2017.  Ranked #5 on

Let’s update our tally, shall we?        

Award in Question

Percentage of recipients who have entered the HOF

Percentage of recipients by year who have entered the HOF.




NHL Art Ross



NHL Hart Trophy



NBA Finals MVP



NHL Norris



NHL Ted Lindsay Award



NBA All-Star Game MVP



NHL Conn Smythe



NFL Bert Bell Award



NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year






NFL Walter Payton Man of the Year



NHL Lady Byng



NFL Defensive Player of the Year



NFL Super Bowl MVP



NHL Mark Messier Leadership Award



NBA Defensive Player of the Year



NHL Vezina



NBA Rookie of the Year






NFL Pro Bowl MVP



MLB Lou Gehrig Award



MLB Roberto Clemente Award



NHL Calder Trophy



NBA J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award



MLB/NL/AL Cy Young Award



MLB Babe Ruth Award



NHL King Clancy Award



NHL Frank J. Selke Trophy



MLB World Series MVP



MLB Hutch Award



NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year



NHL Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy



MLB Edgar Martinez Award



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Designated Hitter)



MLB Comeback Player of the Year



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Shortstop)



MLB (NL/AL) Gold Glove



NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Catcher)



MLB (NL/AL) Gold Glove (Second Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Gold Glove (Shortstop)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Pitcher)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Second Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Gold Glove (Outfield)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Outfield)



MLB (NL/AL) Gold Glove (Third Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (Third Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Silver Slugger (First Base)



MLB (NL/AL) Rookie of the Year



MLB (NL/AL) Gold Glove (Catcher)



NBA Most Improved Player of the Year



MLB (NL/AL) Gold Glove (First Base)



NFL AP Comeback Player of the Year



So, who is up next?

The following are the players who have won the Mark Messier Leadership Award Trophy in the NHL who have retired but have not met the mandatory years out of the game to qualify for the Hockey Hall of Fame:


The following are the players who have won the Ted Lindsay who are still active.

Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins, Center: 51 G, 58 A, 109 P, 14.7 PS, 2010

At age 23, it will be difficult to envision another Mark Messier Leadership Award winner to be younger than Sidney Crosby.  This season, Crosby was in his fifth NHL season, and was a Second Team All-Star and a Rocket Richard winner.  He was already a Hart Trophy winner, and would be again four years later.  Crosby is a three-time Stanley Cup Champion.

33 Years Old,Playing for the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Zdeno Chara, Boston Bruins, Defense: 14 G, 30 A, 44 P, 10.0 PS 2011

A Second Team All-Star this year, Chara was the Norris Trophy winner two years previous, and he was a First Team All-Star and Second Team All-Star twice before.  Chara led by example, and the Bruins won the Stanley Cup this year, largely on what the big man did.

43 Years Old,Playing for the Boston Bruins.

Dustin Brown, Los Angeles Kings, Right Wing: 15 G, 12 A, 27 P, 3.1 PS 2014 

Dustin Brown helped lead the Kings to a Stanley Cup in 2012, and he did it again this season.  Brown was an All-Star in 2009.

36 Years Old,Playing for the Los Angeles Kings.

Jonathan Toews, Chicago Blackhawks, Center: 28 G, 38 A, 66 P, 9.4 PS 2015 

This season Toews led Chicago to their third (and his) Stanley Cup win of the decade.  The Center had previously been named a Second Team All-Star (2013), a Conn Smythe winner (2010) and Frank J. Selke Trophy winner (2013).

32 Years Old,Playing for the Chicago Blackhawks.

Shea Weber, Nashville Predators, Defense: 20 G, 31 A, 51 P, 9.5 PS 2016

Weber had been the core player in Nashville for years by this time and prior to this Mark Messier Award, he was twice a First Team All-Star, twice a Second Team All-Star, and had five top-four finishes for the Norris Trophy.

35 Years Old,Playing for the Montreal Canadiens.

Nick Foligno, Columbus Blue Jackets, Left Wing: 26 G, 25 A, 51 P, 5.9 PS, 2017

Foligno also won the King Clancy Award this year, marking the first time that a Blue Jacket won either.  

33 Years Old,Playing for the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Deryk Engelland, Vegas Golden Knights, Defense: 5 G, 18 A, 23 P, 4.5 PS, 2018

For the second year in a row, the winner of the Mark Messier Leadership Award also won the King Clancy.  Engelland was the first Golden Knight to win this trophy.

38 Years Old,Free Agent.

Wayne Simmonds, Philadelphia Flyers and Nashville Predators, Right Wing: 17 G, 13 A, 30 P, 1.9 PS, 2019

This is the first and to date only Mark Messier Leadership winner who split his award-winning season between two years.  Simmonds was dealt from Philadelphia to Nashville for their playoff run, and this was mostly due to his overall contributions as a Flyer.

32 Years Old,Playing for the Buffalo Sabres.

Mark Giordano, Calgary Flames, Defense: 5 G, 26 A, 31 P, 5.4 PS, 2020

Giordano is a late-bloomer of sorts, winning his first Norris Trophy at age 35 and setting personal statistical bests.  To date, Giordano has played his entire career with Calgary, and has been their leader for years.

37 Years Old,Playing for the Calgary Flames.

Leadership in team sports is important, and as we see, they are often from players who could be considered the best player on the team.

So, what is up next?

We have one NHL Award left, the William M. Jennings, which is awarded annually to the team of Goalies that have the fewest Goals Against.

As always, we thank you for your support, and look for that soon.

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