Missed Players

lardassl played 13 years 2 postseason appearances 1 w 2 Losses johnathan ogden led a terrible balt offense into a super bowl. lardass played with a more talented offense in k.c. he was probably the 4rth best lineman on that team with will shields brian waters tim grunhard. brian waters got offensive player of the week when they scored 8 rushing touchdowns not lardass. if you put in lardass then we have to put pat harlow bruce wilkerson ron essink dennis lick angelo fields bubba paris steve august tunch ilkin brian holloway inright along with it. you can take deerdork out of the fame to. he hung around as a terrible announcer and they still put state the obvious deerdork into the hall 13 years 3 playoffas o wins 3 Losses and he was a RIGHT TACKLE . russ washington jon kolb would be much better choices.

lawrence83 wrote:people thatwant roaf in the hall are not familiar with the movie the blindside. they made a point of saying how important a left tackle is after theisman got his leg snapped in two. left tackle is the second highest paid position after quarterback. lard ass roaf doesnt cut it. if he were in the secret service the president would be dead.

You need a better argument than pointing to some Hollywood fluff to be convincing here. Now Roaf wasn't even a good player? Let's not get carried away here.

people thatwant roaf in the hall are not familiar with the movie the blindside. they made a point of saying how important a left tackle is after theisman got his leg snapped in two. left tackle is the second highest paid position after quarterback. lard ass roaf doesnt cut it. if he were in the secret service the president would be dead.

Hey jimmy26, what's your opinion on Will Shields? Do you think he belongs in canton, or do you put him in your Roaf-Dierdorf category of above average players disguised as hall of famers?

Personally I think the Snake and Kenny Anderson are the 2 best quarterbacks not in the pro football hall of fame, followed shortly by Plunkett, Esiason, Simms, Kosar, Tommy Thompson (how come no one ever mentions this guy for the hall of fame? he was awesome), Brodie, Gabriel, Hart, Conerly, Hadl, and there are probably one or two others that I'm missing. The one guy that a lot of people say belongs in the Hall but I don't believe does is Randall Cunningham. He just wasn't an accurate enough passer. Personally I believe the offensive lineman if the most important position in football; and although there are already a lot of o-liners in the hall of fame, there should be more: Jerry Kramer, Mick Tingelhoff, Dermontti Dawson, Will Shields, Willie Roaf (sorry jimmy), Jim Tyrer, Bob Kuechenberg, Joe Jacoby, Jay Hilgenberg, Jimbo Covert, Richmond Webb, Dick Schafrath, Randy Cross, and others all have a case for the hall and the first 7 guys i mentioned should be in for sure. Also, in the near future Larry Allen, Jonathan Ogden, Walter Jones, and Orlando Pace will be elligible and should all be inducted into the hall of fame.

Kosar DID play in the Super Bowl. He took a couple of snaps at the end of one of the Cowboys' victories.No, I don't really believe that. People who would think that counts are the same who think the Red Sox awarding the traded Nomar a world series ring is the same thing as Nomar having been part of the 2004 World Series championship team.

When me and my friend Larry were putting together our team of the best players not inducted but having been eligible and looked over for five years we had a long discussion on Kosar. Yes his cummulative stats do not stick out and yes he never played in a super bowl. Tow big minuses for sure but everywhere else he excelled. He was a great leader with a very high winning percentage as a starting quarterback and took a team with not a lot of superstars around him to the cusp of the super bowl.more than once. If it wasn't for John Elway (who I believe is the 3rd best QB ever) and some huge mistakes by teammates he would have got there. His passer rating is very high. He retired with the lowest inerception ratio in history. And he chose to play in Cleveland which meant he would not get the hype of other QB's and his passing stats would be effected by the cold weather. He definitely should be at least considered. We ended up rating him just behind Stabler and Theisman of those elegible (but he did make the team as we had 3 QB's) and ahead of the likes of Anderson, Esiason, Simms and Plunkett (Plunkett would have been ahead of him but we decided to go with only one player from each team per position and the Raiders were not surprisingly the most represented on the 53 man roster). I don't think he is a surefire inductee but at least put him in the discussion.

Heck yeah. Obviously move up Taylor and Gastineau first and foremost. And please include these players. The aforementioned Dwight Clark, Russ Washington and herb Scott. But also the likes of Kosar, Banks, Williams, Covert and Anderson I am with Ziggy on. But also several tackles like Leon Gray, Harris Barton, Keith Fahnhorst, Keith Van Horne, Tony Boselli, Paul Gruber, Richmond WEbb, etc. who have not been mentioned. Bert Jones, Lydell Mitchell, Joe Washington, David Hill, Willie Buchanan, Joe Lavender, Bobby Butler, Ray Crockett, Willie harper, Keena Turner, Ezra Johnson, Cedric hardeman, and Conrad Dobler are a few of my favs I would nominate for consideration but I understand I am a bit biased here. But one I feel I am not and continuously gets over looked is Al 'Bubba' Baker who should be way up on the list. AS far as Nobis I totally agree with Ziggy. Should be way higher. Maybe not ahead of Gradishar but at least in top 30. Oh and one last point. Could you please drop down your # 5 choice for this year down to oh I don't know like 77 or something. That would be a little more appropriate I think.