Ziggy Koole wrote:So, who do you think the top 10 non-players that aren't in the hall of fame are? My list: Tom Flores, Jimmy Johnson, George Seifert, Dan Reeves (although apparently he still wants to coach), Don Coryell, Art Modell, Edward DeBartolo, William Clay Ford, Paul Tagliabue, and Ed Sabol.
As a Detroit native, I think the physical distance between Detroit and Canton, Ohio is closer than the distance between Ford and how much he deserves to be inducted. 1 playoff win since he became owner? And that's top 10?Replace his name with George Young and it's an excellent starting point.
Heck yeah. Obviously move up Taylor and Gastineau first and foremost. And please include these players. The aforementioned Dwight Clark, Russ Washington and herb Scott. But also the likes of Kosar, Banks, Williams, Covert and Anderson I am with Ziggy on. But also several tackles like Leon Gray, Harris Barton, Keith Fahnhorst, Keith Van Horne, Tony Boselli, Paul Gruber, Richmond WEbb, etc. who have not been mentioned. Bert Jones, Lydell Mitchell, Joe Washington, David Hill, Willie Buchanan, Joe Lavender, Bobby Butler, Ray Crockett, Willie harper, Keena Turner, Ezra Johnson, Cedric hardeman, and Conrad Dobler are a few of my favs I would nominate for consideration but I understand I am a bit biased here. But one I feel I am not and continuously gets over looked is Al 'Bubba' Baker who should be way up on the list. AS far as Nobis I totally agree with Ziggy. Should be way higher. Maybe not ahead of Gradishar but at least in top 30. Oh and one last point. Could you please drop down your # 5 choice for this year down to oh I don't know like 77 or something. That would be a little more appropriate I think.
I heard somewhere that your going to expand the list to 250. And if you do that, I have some names for you that you might not consider otherwise: andy russell, carl banks, jimbo covert, rich (tombstone) jackson, tom jackson, matt snell, bernie kosar, doug williams, gary anderson (2nd all-time points leader, seriously if the hall inducted kickers this guy would be in for sure), willie gallimore, marshall goldberg, tommy thompson, and pat tillman (i dont think tillman should be inducted, but maybe you could put him at 250 as an "honourable mention" type player, sort of like what you did with mike eruzione in the hockey list.and yes i know you probably dont want to change the order that much, and especially dont want to move a guy whos not even on the list into the top 10, but could you please put tommy nobis in the top 100, and hopefully the top 25. i know his statistics arent overwhelming, but neither are a lot of great players in the history of the game, even a guy like joemo never threw for over 4000 yards in a single season. basically this guy was mr. falcon, a dick butkus type, except instead of playing in chicago, he played in atlanta, which is why he hasnt been inducted. honestly, i think nobis is currently the best linebacker not in the hall of fame, even better than a guy like chuck howley or randy gradishar.so i have an interesting question for you. i know how fans of the steelers, raiders, cowboys, vikings, 49ers, and broncos always complain that their teams are under-represented in the hall of fame. but all teams have multiple hall of famers, and 5 of the 6 have over 10. in my opinion, the cincinnati bengals have been screwed the most times by the hall of fame comitte, 7 or 8 potentially deserving players, and only 1 dude in. but the bengals have been screwed so many times by everything that they are probably indifferent.
Yeah I noticed Dwight Clark wasn't here as well. Gastineau, in my opinion, is not a hall of famer, Taylor is borderline. I would like to see Otis eventually get in. P.S. hey jimmy, are you happy that Willie Roaf didn't make the hall of fame?