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Miles Davis

Possibly the most important figure in Jazz, Miles Davis was at the head of numerous Jazz styles throughout his career. Davis may not have been in the vein of Rock, but his impact in music is so large that even the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame felt he could not be ignored. If any Jazz man should be represented in Cleveland, it is Miles Davis.

Inducted in 2006. From Alton, Illinois, U.S.A.

Should Miles Davis be in the Hall of Fame?

I totally agree with this induction. - 75%
I am fine with this induction. - 0%
I do not agree with this induction, but it does not bother me. - 0%
No opinion. - 25%
Kick him out! - 0%
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0 #4 Darryl Tahirali -0001-11-30 00:00
We're going to have to agree to disagree. I won't belabour the point again except to emphasize that Miles Davis is an exceptional case. This isn't a slippery-slo pe case by any means, at least in my eyes. I wouldn't want Davis to open the door to just any non-rock artist.First , there are a number of jazz artists listed in the "not in the Hall" pages here, and I have argued against their inclusion in the RnRHoF, specifically , John Coltrane and Sonny Rollins. The reasons are that they neither influenced nor were influenced by rock, and there is no valid reason to induct them. I would say the same for other "straig ht-ahead&quo t; jazz figures (which would even include Pat Metheny).Sec ond, it's still not clear that you understand enough about Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, or Barbra Streisand because your argument does not make sense. Crosby's musical career was essentially over by the time rock 'n' roll was even invented. So, there is no connection between Crosby and rock music, let alone any question of influence. Crosby was a smooth crooner whose style was what rock was originally challenging. Sinatra and to a greater extent Streisand have some connection to rock and pop--but not in the same manner as Davis. Sinatra derided rock 'n' roll through the 1960s, refusing to have anything to do with it, until he was forced to make concessions to rock and contemporary pop to help his record sales. But that doesn't mean he was an integral player with respect to rock at any time. Sinatra' s conceding to rock did not alter the style of music--big band easy-listeni ng arrangements --for which he was known. Nor did it have any influence on rock.Streisa nd is contemporane ous with many classic rockers (she was born in 1942), and although she has performed contemporary pop throughout her career, she really rose to prominence through her embrace of show tunes, torch songs, and the like--styles completely divorced from rock 'n' roll--and her fame in many ways has been defined as being a non-rock alternative. That is not a qualificatio n for the RnRHoF.Miles Davis shifted the foundation of modern jazz in the direction of rock music. That is an extraordinar y, exceptional occurrence. There is no other case of a musical form being so conspicuousl y influenced by rock as to alter its previous appearance. Miles is unique in this regard; he deserves his induction because of it; and there is no other non-rock artist worthy of this honour.Now, Jimmy26, considering you have been so very adamant about the Davis induction, in addition to your posting in various places about what you think "real&q uot; rock is supposed to be, how do you feel about other non-rock artists being in the RnRHoF? For example, do you think that reggae artists Bob Marley and Jimmy Cliff should be in the Hall? You have made a brief but seemingly positive remark about Marley on his page. Let's cast the net wider, though. What do you think about all the soul artists who have been inducted? James Brown, Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin--th ey don't seem to fit the definition of rock that you are suggesting. Come to think of it--what exactly is your definition of rock? What are your criteria for what makes a great rock artist worthy of induction in the Hall?
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0 #3 jimmy26 -0001-11-30 00:00
Horse Pucky! First, I was not suggesting Streisand, Crosby and Sinatra as jazz artists. I was using them as huge artists in other genres that as you put it "rock has influenced&q uot; Obviously the three lsited above are huge artists that from other genres that rock music influenced and thus if your argument is valid should be inducted. And there is some validity to your argument. The problem with it is however is that in inductiing influential artists outside the rock genre we are closing the door for artists that are really rock and should be included. Your basic argument comes down to is the hall a rock hall or a pop music hall? With every Miles Davis, neil Diamond or Frank Sinatra that gets elected then we are leading down that avenue of pop whic I have no problem with if thay do decide to change the name. But if it is the orck hall which it is then let's put in rock artists such as Rush and Kiss and Journey before we even consider other genres.
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0 #2 Darryl Tahirali -0001-11-30 00:00
Jimmy26, I share your concern about the induction of a jazz artist in the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, if only because it could further blur an already very fuzzy distinction about what "rock 'n' roll" is supposed to be. However, using part of the Hall's own definition, I will show that inducting Miles Davis in fact strengthens the Hall's rock credentials while defusing your slippery slope argument ["give them an inch and they'll take a mile"] as well as the misrepresent ation of Davis's music in the capsule description of him on the web page
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0 #1 jimmy26 -0001-11-30 00:00
Simply said this is the Rock and Roll Hall of fame. Not the Jazz. Arguably the worst induction ever. Because after they let him in then everybody should be let in no matter what the genre. All you that question ABBA or Neil Diamond or rap artists getting in should look no further then this induction. This set the precedence. I m telling you sooner or later Barbra and Frank and Bing are going to be enshrined. And to be honest if Miles is in then they deserve to be in as well.
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