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14 years 2 months ago #20 by Dr Clayton Forrester
First I'd like to say I loved the list. It had wrestlers on it that I've been saying for years should be inducted but are neglected such as Spiros Arion and Dominic DeNucci. So my hat is off to those that created it for doing the research and understanding the WWE Hall of Fame. Some that should be considered who arent very active anymore. 1. Batista2. Alundra Blayze3. Bill Goldberg4. Rikidozan5. El Santo6. J.J. Dillon7. Ed Strangler Lewis8. The Bushwackers9. Jack Tunney10. The Destroyer Dick Beyer11. Don Leo Jonathan12. Sky Low Low13. Frank Gotch14. General Skandar Akbar15. Gory Guerrero16. Tiger Mask 17. Dangerous Danny Davis18. The Fabulous Kangaroos19. Danny Hodge20. Jim Crockett Sr21. Angelo Savoldi22. Karl Gotch23. Pat O'Connor24. Wild Red Berry25. Professor Toru Tanaka26. The Tolos Brothers27. Dr Jerry Graham28. Gary Hart29. Linda McMahon30. The Doctor of Style Slick31. Bull Nakano32. Billy Red Lyons33. Edouard Carpentier34. Mildred Burke35. Leroy McGuirk36. Toots Mondt37. Lord Alfred Hayes38. Exotic Adrian Street39. Jim Londos40. George Hackenschmidt41. Big Daddy42. Newton Tattrie43. Johnny De Fazio44. Tony Schiavone45. Jose Lothario46. Tiger Jeet Singh47. Harvey Whippleman48. Mr Wrestling II49. Crazy Luke Graham50. Roderick Jess McMahonWe could probably get it up to 200 by adding more promoters, celebrities, and guys who are about to retire or take a leave such as Chris Jericho, Kevin Nash, and Booker T. Not to mention divas like Sunny, Sable, and Chyna.

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14 years 2 months ago #56 by Knuckles
Great historical stuff. Thanks. The one thing about George Cannon I remember is he was a big midget wrestling fan. He made sure there were midget matches on the non-WWF cards he would promote, and would talk about how exciting an addition it was for the card. When he was running the WWA territory in Detroit in the 80's, not only was he running it with Dick the Bruiser, but guys like Kangaroo Don Kent, Yukon Moose Cholak and Bobo Brazil would wrestle, as would Dr. Jerry Graham's "son", Dr. Jerry Graham Jr, who was quite the talker but was nowhere near the size of his "father." This was where Scott Steiner got his start, wrestling as Scott Rexsteiner.

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14 years 2 months ago #55 by Dr Clayton Forrester
I wouldn't put Rikidozan or El Santo in the top 100, but a nod in the top 200 wouldn't seem impossible given their mega status outside the U.S. Antonio Inoki at this point isn't remembered too well from the U.S. fans given that the vast majority of his career took place over seas. I suppose Mitsuharu Misawa could fall into the same boat as Rikidozan. But I see the point. Guys like Ed Strangler Lewis, Jim Londos and Pat O'Connor would have a better shot at getting in given their familiarity. I suppose there's only so much room.Don't forget about Danny Hodge. Jim Ross seems to be pushing for his induction quite a bit. He'd probably be pushing for Skandar Akbar to be inducted if he thought he could get both in at once. Hodge will likely have made the nomination list this time around at least given Ross.Slick just seems to be a favorite backstage and they even flew him in to dance at Wrestlemania 23. He'd be one of those lighthearted inductions like Howard Finkel was and Hillbilly Jim will be in the future. Linda McMahon has a shot now that her senate campaign is on hold and she's not looking to be going back to WWE. I could easily see someone suggesting her name to Vince and him approving right away. Oh and I forgot about Gene LeBell. He has been getting a quite a bit of attention recently on RAW with Daniel Bryan using the LeBell lock. He even got an article on wwe.com about it. I can see him being fresh on voters minds. It truly is fun to speculate about the WWE Hall of Fame.

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14 years 2 months ago #54 by Committee Chairman
Clayton,Excellent points!!!I remember that package for Hayes, and admittedly was iffy whether to rank him or put him in the Fringe category.Same for Tunney..... What really throws us is the placing of promoters as a whole. His on screen work does give a lot of food for thought.Had we not put Beyer in the Fringe list, he would easily be top 25. But then would Rikidozan be in the main list? Rikidozan was certainly the godfather of Japanese wrestling, but virtually unknown to 99.9 percent of American wrestling fans.As for Dillon.....i think we may have clouded his lack of championships in his in ring career and dismissed his talent relations job. I do think that with the rumors bounding around that a four horsemen (including JJ) induction is probable, thus when we revise this list after the next bacth of inductions are announced at Wrestlemania, we may not have to worry about pushing Dillon higher on the chart.Mondt.....man i don't know. He certainly has every credential, but again it goes back to that whole promoting deal.Jerry Graham...... flat out Clayton we blew it on that one! We may rectify that in the next month or so.As for Mero, Kanyon etc..... honestly I don't think if you combine their chances that any of them could get in, but then again it seems so complicated to figure out what makes anyone WWE Hall of Fame material!!!! Guess this is why it so much fun!

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14 years 2 months ago #53 by Dr Clayton Forrester
Thanks for the response. The great thing about the list is that its not concrete and can be changed and its not a criminal act to have put the Nasty Boys way too high. lol Fortunately you have a forum for feedback so I'll just say a few things. I would certainly say the fringe list needs to be dissolved and merged with the top 200. Take Lord Alfred Hayes for example, when he died a few years back, WWE put together a video package for him on RAW as tribute. They do not do that for everyone. He was obviously loved. He'd probably make the top 100 list. Jack Tunney could probably crack the top 100. There's no discounting how important his behind the scenes work was with the WWF in expanding their territory into canada. He even kept WCW out of major cities on behalf of WWE as a promoter. I know everyone brings up that nobody from WWE went to his funeral, but he died the weekend of the Royal Rumble and Vince and company were rather busy. Tunney and McMahon might not have been best friends, but they didnt hate each other. The Destroyer Dick Beyer was at the last Hall of Fame ceremony physically to help induct Gorgeous George. He's even in the class photo. It would be hard to believe he has no chance of ever entering the WWE Hall of Fame. He could make the top 100 at this point.Sky Low Low was WWE's go to midget back in the day. In fact, he was just about everyones go to midget back in the day. If WWE ever decides to induct a dwarf, he's probably the favorite and could make the top 200. Toots Mondt could crack the top 200 for being there in the beginning for the World Wide Wrestling Federation. I know WWE likes to pretend that Vince Sr did all of the work, but you and I know Toots gave much needed credibility to the organization at the start. Marc Mero, Chris Kanyon, Perry Saturn Chris Candido and Mike Shaw have less of a shot of entering the WWE Hall of Fame than those 5 off the fringe list. J.J. Dillon and Slick could probably crack the top 100 too. Don't forget that J.J. Dillon was head of WWE Talent Relations for years. So it wouldn't just be his work as a manager being inducted. I saw Luke Graham made the list but not Jerry Graham? Vince has gone on record as saying that Dr Jerry Graham was his favorite wrestler while growing up. That probably at least gives him a shot at making it. From the top 100 I'd drop the Nasty Boys down, Bad News Brown, Jody Hamilton, Rene Goulet, and General Adnan into the 101-200 range. That's just some quick thoughts for the discussion.

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14 years 2 months ago #50 by Committee Chairman
Clayton....Honestly, we may have made a mistake on omitting George Cannon. He may yet appear on a revised list.As for the Fringe list, the idea (and maybe we didn't get it right) was to look at those who likely would get no shot, though maybe they are worthy of our 200. We certainly may evaluate that in the future. As for the JJ Diillon behind the Nasty Boys comment, you are not the first to mention that to us. Our rationale was that Dillon, was not a huge wrestler of note and that his role as the leader of the four horsmen could have been taken over easily by another personality. You (and others) are right that Dillon has been considered a potential HOF candidate by the WWE, and his current status within the WWE certainly reflects that. Chnaces are that he is HOF bound. We did not expect the Nastys to be this disliked!!!! Obviously, we will drop them in our ranking next year, should we continue to get similar feedback.

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14 years 2 months ago #46 by Dr Clayton Forrester
I agree about George Cannon, he could probably make the top 200 list.But I'd like to know some of the reasoning behind the placement of certain guys. For instance J.J. Dillon is a very strong candidate for the next HoF ceremony and right now he's listed far behind the Nasty Boys. Its fairly obvious WWE values J.J. Dillons contributions to the business more than the Nasty Boys. Same with Slick for that matter.I'm also not sure of the need for a "fringe" list when I see little difference between the guys currently on it and those that made the top 200 list.

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14 years 2 months ago #45 by Knuckles
I haven't made my way through the entire list yet. what about George "Crybaby" Cannon? Great chicken heel/manager who was the head promoter around Detroit for years.

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14 years 2 months ago #22 by Dr Clayton Forrester
Thanks! Glad to know our lists could reaffirm each others choices. I'd say off of the list I just posted above, Lord Alfred Hayes sticks out the most as the one I'm most surprised isn't in the WWE HoF yet. Outside of the WWE his impact may not have been huge, but during the decade he worked for Vince he seemed like a staple in their broadcast team. Whether it be co-hosting Tuesday Night Titans, backstage interviews, Coliseum home video exclusives, or just color commentary. Seems like his induction would be much more personal than many of the others yet certainly justified.I'll be hanging around this place so if you need any ideas, I'd be glad to help.

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14 years 2 months ago #21 by Committee Chairman
Actually, many of those on your list we are putting on our "next" one hundred. We will also be putting our "fringe" candidate list which will feature even more of those you mentioned. Oh....kudos on the mst3K mickname!

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