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Pete Rose

Statistically, there is no argument about the Hall of Fame qualifications of Pete Rose.  Even the most casual baseball fan is aware that “Charlie Hustle” is the all time hit king with 4,256 hits; a record that may never be broken.  Rose also was a seventeen time All Star, and proved to be a clutch performer as evidenced by his three World Series Rings; including a World Series MVP.  Sadly, as much as casual sports fans are aware of Rose’s on field accomplishments, many who have never turned their dial to ESPN knows his off field embarrassments.

As many are aware, Pete Rose was banned from baseball for betting on the sport.  This has always been considered a taboo in Major League Baseball as they have always prohibited their players from betting on the sport.  Rose was caught doing such and most specifically, regularly wagering on his own team.

Here is where it gets interesting for us at NIHOF.  We will flat out tell you that the five of us who comprise the NIHOF committee are borderline degenerate gamblers, so for us to come down on a kindred spirit seems so wrong to us.  With that said, there is nothing in our line of work that prevents us from placing a wager or two; there was for Pete Rose.

Where it got worse was that Rose denied the allegations for years.  How different would it have been had he owned up and admitted what he did?  When heroes fall (and sadly we are a society that wants to see it happen) the expectation is that they own up to their mistakes and they are forgiven.  One only has to look at the current situation with Andy Petite and Roger Clemens and see the reactions to these two pitchers.  Petite apologized, and when he pitches today, fans don’t think about his former PED use.  Clemens is on TV, and all we can think about are his hollow denials.

This isn’t to say that Pete Rose would have been reinstated had he admitted his guilt.  Baseball is an institution rooted so deeply in tradition that it often fails to move forward.  There is a very sizable chance that Rose would have remained ineligible had he admitted that wrongdoing twenty years ago.  What probably cemented his fate is that when he finally did admit gambling on Baseball it was in 2004 upon releasing a book.  The timing was awful as he did so two days after the Baseball Hall of Fame announced their 2004 inductees.  It reeked of selfishness, and the apology fell flat to many.

Regardless, we are hopeful that at some point in time, Pete Rose becomes inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.  There should be no doubt that his is the greatest omission of any Hall of Fame period.  There is no question about that.  Pete will however likely be our “1A” candidate for years to come.

 

 

 

 

The Bullet Points:

 

Country of Origin:

Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A.

 

Eligible Since:

1992 (Declared Ineligible)

 

Position:

1B, 2B, 3B, OF

 

Played for:

Cincinnati Reds

Philadelphia Phillies

Montreal Expos

 

Major Accolades and Awards:

Rookie of the Year (NL) (1963)

Most Valuable Player (NL) (1973)

World Series Most Valuable Player (1975)

17 Time All Star (1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982 & 1985)

Gold Glove (2) (NL) (1969 & 1970)

Silver Slugger (NL) (1981)

Batting Titles (3) (NL) (1968, 1969, 1973)

Highest On Base Percentage (2) (NL) (1968 & 1979)

Most Runs Scored (4) (NL) (1969, 1974, 1975 & 1976)

Most Hits (7) (NL) (1965, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1976 & 1981)

Most Doubles (5) (NL) (1974, 1975, 1976, 1978 & 1980)

World Series Rings (3) (Cincinnati Reds, 1975 & 1976, Philadelphia Phillies, 1980)

Named to the All Century Team (OF)

 

Other Points of Note:

Other top ten MVP finishes: (Won the 1973 NL MVP)

(NL: 1965, 5th), (NL: 1966, 10th), (NL: 1967, 10th), (NL: 1968, 2nd), (NL: 1969, 4th), (NL: 1970, 7th), (NL: 1975, 5th), (NL: 1976, 4th) & (NL: 1981, 10th)

Hutch Award (1968)

Lou Gehrig Memorial Award (1969)

Roberto Clemente Award (1976)

13 Top Ten Finishes (Batting Average)

11 Top Ten Finishes (On Base Percentage)

2 Top Ten Finishes (Slugging Percentage)

15 Top Ten Finishes (Runs Scored)

17 Top Ten Finishes (Hits)

11 Top Ten Finishes (Total Bases)

15 Top Ten Finishes (Doubles)

8 Top Ten Finishes (Triples)

7 Top Ten Finishes (Walks)

6 Top Ten Finishes (WAR for Position Players)

3 Top Ten Finishes (OPS)

 

Notable All Time Rankings:

1.  Games Played: 3,562

1.  At Bats: 14,053

1.  Plate Appearances: 15,861

1.  Hits: 4,256

2.  Doubles: 746

6.  Runs Scored: 2,165

7.  Total Bases: 5,752

14. Walks: 1,566

45. WAR (Position Players): 75.3

75. Triples: 135

91. Runs Batted In: 1,314

 

Vote Percentage Received for the Hall of Fame:

1992:  9.5

1993:  3.3

1994:  4.2

 

Should Be Inducted As A:

Cincinnati Red

Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?

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+1 #1 Ziggy Koole -0001-11-29 19:00
Pete Rose: Great baseball player. Terrible manager. Liar. Cheater. Hall of famer.
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+1 #2 Darryl Tahirali -0001-11-29 19:00
I think the sticking point in the BBHoF's statement of purpose is the issue of "integrity ," and with specific respect to gambling, the fallout from the 1919 "Black Sox" scandal framed part of the integrity issue because gambling could have a material effect on the outcome of a game (or an entire World Series, as it did in 1919). Thus, I think that gambling becomes the "line in the sand" as far as "integrity " goes.Because if you look at the players who have passed the "integrity " muster, you might have to either toss out a bunch of inductees for their conduct or else toss out the idea that on- or off-the-field conduct should play a role in determining who belongs in the Hall.For example, Cobb and Speaker were openly racist. Ford and Perry openly admitted that they cheated (illegally doctoring the ball) when they pitched. When Bonds was approaching Aaron's career HR mark, detractors who believed that Bonds was a cheater because of PED usage held up signs stating that "Babe Ruth did it on hot dogs and beer," reminding everyone of Ruth's well-documented "extracurr icular activities" ; involving alcohol--and even Joe Morgan pointed out that at the height of Ruth's slugging prowess, alcohol was illegal and thus Ruth was openly breaking a Constitutionall y mandated law. And amidst all the current debate about whether players with associations with PEDs should be eligible for the Hall, we have been reminded that players from the "Golden Era" of the 1950s-1970s routinely took "greenies& quot; (amphetamines) when they played. (Recently, I heard the otherwise-sharp Bob Costas state that it was "different " for players to take greenies because "they did so to play better the day after a double-header or for a day game following a night game." So, they took a substance to enhance their performance, then, Bob?)My point here is that we could look at these so-called role models, particularly the ones honored with the highest accolade a baseball player can get--enshrineme nt in the Hall of Fame--and find any number of major or minor flaws that might indicate the kind of human being they are. The question becomes, which flaws are glaring enough that they cannot be ignored when considering whether they belong in the Hall?I think that if you have to draw that line, then gambling is it. Gambling can affect the outcome of the game with the intent to benefit financially. If you are concerned about the integrity of the game overall, then gambling is the red flag. Moreover, baseball decided even before the Hall of Fame existed that gambling was an offense serious enough to prompt banishment, and it has never rescinded this stance.Whether Pete Rose's gambling posed a detriment to his team's chances is beside the point. He knowingly participated in an activity that baseball had specifically decreed was an offense serious enough to warrant banishment from the sport before he was even born. Even his pathetic about-face concerning his innocence is beside the point, although it does further weaken the "integrity " argument with respect to the individual. Rose committed the cardinal sin in baseball--gambl ing--and unless baseball not only revises its stance but does so retroactively, he does not get to go to Cooperstown.Now , does Rose qualify for the HoF irrespective of his offense? Of course. Not just his counting numbers but his qualitative numbers put him in with HoF-caliber company. His WAR (wins above replacement; I'm citing the Baseball Reference version of WAR here) is in the neighborhood of Yount, Plank, Frisch, Molitor, Reggie Jackson, Paul Waner, and is four wins higher than his Reds teammate Bench. All are in the Hall, of course.True, Rose might have hung on just so he could break Cobb's hits record, particularly as a player-manager, when he could start himself in place of another, perhaps better qualified player. That exemplifies Rose's attitude toward baseball, though. He was talented enough to get to the Majors, but he didn't have the superstar talent of Aaron, Mays, Mantle, et al, so he had to work hard at it. "Charlie Hustle" was a "lunchpail " player, a blue-collar worker who worked his tail off. That was an inspiration to a lot of players and fans; his zeal is captured in one of my favorite sayings from and about baseball: "I would walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." It's an enduring shame that his fire for the game cost him his chance to be where he belongs: The Baseball Hall of Fame.
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0 #3 jimmy26 -0001-11-29 19:00
Some of us do believe that Rose should never get into the hall of fame. Rose was one of my baseball idols growing up but what he did to the game of baseball cannot and should not be forgiven. and it won't be.
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-1 #4 donbanff 2012-11-29 10:37
pete said he didn't gamble; but of course he did. pete gambled on sports [ said he didn't ] pete gambled on baseball [said he didn't] and of course, he said he didn't gamble on games involving his own team; guess what ? Pete Rose gambled on games he was involved with. It's an obvious no-brainer; he's banned forever and should be shunned and forgotten. Baseball couldn't survive if the perception was that gamblers were fixing games.
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-1 #5 David l 2013-03-13 22:07
If Pete had not blasted Giamatti things may have been different, Giamatti never forgave Pete and this is what happened. Yes, he lied. But as a baseball p,Ayer, steroid free, he was the best.
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+2 #6 Brian 2013-08-08 21:17
Of course "Charlie Hustle" belongs in the Hall of Fame; however, he agreed to his lifetime ban. He should be admitted the year after his death.

MLB didn't learn of his gambling problems through some investigation. Bart Giamatti and MLB came to his aid in an agreement to save his life. He was so into the mob in OH/KY that he turned himself in to MLB's office in NY for protection.
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